[Arm-netbook] EOMA68 phoronix

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well -
waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in
a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going.

now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he
was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that
damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article
theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a
stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20
pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the
technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_
some exposure for his site....

l.

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[Xavi Drudis Ferran]

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well -
waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in
a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going.

Take a little rest sometime. You're missing a K there, like $55.2K ($55435
already) .

I see there're only 13 passthrough cards. I thought there'd be more of
those and more laptops once they're on offer. It's been less than a
week, though?

I have some questions on the pasthrough cards, but I haven't looked if
there are answers out there already, so I'll look and ask another day
in another thread if needed.

Btw, there's a subjective sensation I get, maybe it's just me. But the
more recent discussions aren't more positive in tone than at the beginning
of the campaign... if true this might be good and give hope of a new concept
maturing in the public mind and a possible late but in time acceptance...
What's the more typical curve in crowdfunding pledges ?

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he
was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that
damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article
theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a
stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20
pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the
technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_
some exposure for his site....

Did you miss July 30

http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=50k-Open-Allwinner-Board-EOMA

?

Or you want him to write an article every other day ?

I think Mr. Larabel must be aware of what you say already.



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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Btw, there's a subjective sensation I get, maybe it's just me. But the
more recent discussions aren't more positive in tone than at the beginning
of the campaign... if true this might be good and give hope of a new concept
maturing in the public mind and a possible late but in time acceptance...

I think that there are always "nay-sayers" in the first wave of
reactions, but even then, for example in the Slashdot discussion, the
people were posting more positive replies for those who complaint. I
was one of the first one replying positive things, but there were others
who are probably "outsiders" to this list.

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
What's the more typical curve in crowdfunding pledges ?

Would be interesting to know, but I think that it also depends on
external factors -- what gets published linking to the site, at
different points of the campaign; time of the year; etc.

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Did you miss July 30
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=50k-Open-Allwinner-Board-EOMA

Yep, I was going to say the same.


My submission (I insisted) in SoylentNews is scheduled to be published
later today, I think:

https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=15052


Cheers.

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
yay! the slashdot article seems to have gone (still going) well -
waaa took up my entire day responding to people, but it's resulted in
a big jump from $52.5 to $55.2 and still going.

Take a little rest sometime. You're missing a K there, like $55.2K ($55435
already) .

oh - a big jump, yay

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
I see there're only 13 passthrough cards. I thought there'd be more of
those and more laptops once they're on offer. It's been less than a
week, though?

yeah about that.

the main thing is, those add to the MOQ of the critical computer card
components - the PCMCIA assembly, USB-OTG and so on.

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
I have some questions on the pasthrough cards, but I haven't looked if
there are answers out there already, so I'll look and ask another day
in another thread if needed.
Btw, there's a subjective sensation I get, maybe it's just me. But the
more recent discussions aren't more positive in tone than at the beginning
of the campaign...

people who are in software libre know about it and have gone, "i'll
take it!" - now it's a bit harder to explain, especially to people who
have the latest and greatest intel processors.

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
if true this might be good and give hope of a new concept
maturing in the public mind and a possible late but in time acceptance...
What's the more typical curve in crowdfunding pledges ?

dip in the middle

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
now... the next person to poke a stick at would be michael larabel, he
was so funny saying "awww darn it, you guys keep bugging me about that
damn eoma68 thing, ahh i suppooose i'd better write an article
theeeen"... if anyone feels so inclined, feel free to poke him with a
stick again, point out that the discussion on his forum was huge (20
pages, 200 comments) and that i refer people to it all the time as the
technical discussions on there are really valuable, so it gets _him_
some exposure for his site....

Did you miss July 30
http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=50k-Open-Allwinner-Board-EOMA

i wasn't aware of that - yay!

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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
I see there're only 13 passthrough cards. I thought there'd be more of
those and more laptops once they're on offer. It's been less than a
week, though?

yeah about that.
the main thing is, those add to the MOQ of the critical computer card
components - the PCMCIA assembly, USB-OTG and so on.

If those really add to the MOQ, and the MOQ is 250 I should warn everybody who
is thinking to order some card, that now they have the chance to be the one
who made the MOQ:

I read at

https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop

Libre Tea Computer card (Parabola, RYF): 155 claimed
Practically perfect computer card (Debian): 70 claimed
Numero Uno computer card (Devuan): 5 claimed
Getting ahead computer card (Fedora): 0 claimed
Pass-through card: 18 claimed
Total: 248 claimed

Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the
cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other
rewards too ?

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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the
cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other
rewards too ?

What about the completely assembled laptops? The campaign seems to be
past 250. I think there still is a need more orders of laptop parts.
There was talk about >140 being desired.

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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the
cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other
rewards too ?

What about the completely assembled laptops? The campaign seems to be
past 250. I think there still is a need more orders of laptop parts.
There was talk about >140 being desired.

I didn't know.

You mean 140 part kits (including PIY, PFY and completely assembled)
or 140 completely assembled ?
It seems the total laptops is now 60 .
With some 74 more completely assembled laptops the campaign would pass 150000 $
or 197 PIY or 178 PFY would also do (not counting any new cards or other rewards).

If it's 140 MOQ for the laptop part kits then 9 PIY + 71 completely assembled laptops
would reach 150000 $ and the 140 part kits...

I don't know, I'm just playing with numbers without much of a point.



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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 5:16 PM, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)

Post by pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Then there's the crowdfunding goal, which is further ahead, but the
cards' MOQ is already something. I guess there are MOQs for the other
rewards too ?

What about the completely assembled laptops? The campaign seems to be
past 250. I think there still is a need more orders of laptop parts.
There was talk about >140 being desired.

the critical component there is the PCMCIA socket. if you add up the
number of micro-desktop housings, laptop housings and breakout boards,
the total comes to 201. so we're 80.4% of the way there on that one,
too.

no, the main thing is, we couldn't have predicted the ratios that
people would like to pledge for, in advance, and with a 20:1
difference betweeen highest and lowest parts it means we have to keep
an eye on things and do the maths.

basically beyond a certain threshold raised it'll be really easy to
complete. hard work, but we'll have the funds to do it.

also with more funds i can start considering planning ahead.

l.

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
---
the critical component there is the PCMCIA socket. if you add up the
number of micro-desktop housings, laptop housings and breakout boards,
the total comes to 201. so we're 80.4% of the way there on that one,
too.
no, the main thing is, we couldn't have predicted the ratios that
people would like to pledge for, in advance, and with a 20:1
difference betweeen highest and lowest parts it means we have to keep
an eye on things and do the maths.
basically beyond a certain threshold raised it'll be really easy to
complete. hard work, but we'll have the funds to do it.
also with more funds i can start considering planning ahead.

I do a little calculation to estimate, what will be the outcome of this
campaign, and think, Luke is doing that too and is prepairing the next
possible steps.
But I think, it makes at this point of the campaign no sense to publish the
results and speculate about the outcome

What everybody should do at this point, is in my opinion to publish about the
project and think about what one can do on top. Unfortunately (in this case) I
am not on facebook and twitter anymore and will not go back there. That is my
way of preserving my freedom and privacy. I write on diaspora* and gnusocial.

Would it be possible to write an email to everyone who has pledged and ask
them, to inform their peergroup (again) and publish about the project in the
social-media they use.

In the next days i will write a blogpost on my fsfe-blog about the sense of
crowdfunding, that of course will name the eoma68 project too.

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Post by Wolfgang Romey

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
---
the critical component there is the PCMCIA socket. if you add up the
number of micro-desktop housings, laptop housings and breakout boards,
the total comes to 201. so we're 80.4% of the way there on that one,
too.
no, the main thing is, we couldn't have predicted the ratios that
people would like to pledge for, in advance, and with a 20:1
difference betweeen highest and lowest parts it means we have to keep
an eye on things and do the maths.
basically beyond a certain threshold raised it'll be really easy to
complete. hard work, but we'll have the funds to do it.
also with more funds i can start considering planning ahead.

I do a little calculation to estimate, what will be the outcome of this
campaign, and think, Luke is doing that too and is prepairing the next
possible steps.
But I think, it makes at this point of the campaign no sense to publish the
results and speculate about the outcome

it's something for me to keep an eye on,

Post by Wolfgang Romey
What everybody should do at this point, is in my opinion to publish about the
project and think about what one can do on top. Unfortunately (in this case) I
am not on facebook and twitter anymore and will not go back there. That is my
way of preserving my freedom and privacy. I write on diaspora* and gnusocial.

good for you: really appreciated and respect that you do that.

Post by Wolfgang Romey
Would it be possible to write an email to everyone who has pledged and ask
them, to inform their peergroup (again) and publish about the project in the
social-media they use.

yes -

Post by Wolfgang Romey
In the next days i will write a blogpost on my fsfe-blog about the sense of
crowdfunding, that of course will name the eoma68 project too.

the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then, it would be
good to mention that the CEDAR engine reverse-engineering is a high
priority FSF project, and that it actually appears to have the
majority of functions working and useable. it's not perfect, so can't
yet be moved to the "finished" FSF page, but is close enough.

l.

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

ahh... joshua from crowdsupply pointed something out to me that i'd
completely forgotten about: the "fully assembled laptops" include
computer cards, so ahhh.... we're at 258 not 248.

*finally* we can actually celebrate reaching the MOQ of 250, unlike
last time where i got it wrong with a typo. maybe i should write a
computer program to screen-scrape the crowdsupply web site and
generate this, ehn? :)

so, anyway, YIPPEE!

next target: MOQ of 250 for the laptops+microdesktops+breakouts.

l.

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So, to clarify: if you reach the MOQ for everything but don't meet the
crowdfunding goal, what happens? Is this like most other crowdfunding
campaigns where you would get none of the funds, and have to contact
everyone who pledged if you wanted to move forward?

And what happens if you reach the MOQ for some devices but not all?

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Frederickson

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
So, to clarify: if you reach the MOQ for everything but don't meet the
crowdfunding goal, what happens? Is this like most other crowdfunding
campaigns where you would get none of the funds, and have to contact
everyone who pledged if you wanted to move forward?

no it isn't, because of that huge 20:1 differential. what i will do
is, *at the end* of the campaign, i will do a proper and full
financial analysis, and work out the options based on *what happens at
the end*.

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
And what happens if you reach the MOQ for some devices but not all?

it's too early to get into that... because it is a scenario that
might not actually happen. i'm mulling it over possibilities, but not
*actively* focussing on it. instead i'm *actively* focussing on
increasing awareness and on raising the number of backers.

the best thing to do is to help spread the word, especially on social
media and conversations with friends, family and co-workers, as well
as think of potential business opportunities, so that we reach the
goal and exceed it.

that's the best use of all our time right now, i feel.

l.

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
ahh... joshua from crowdsupply pointed something out to me that i'd
completely forgotten about: the "fully assembled laptops" include
computer cards, so ahhh.... we're at 258 not 248.

:) Wow, how nice to be mistaken...

Sorry, I should've thought of it

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
so, anyway, YIPPEE!

Yeah

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
next target: MOQ of 250 for the laptops+microdesktops+breakouts.

Seems doable.

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then,

It has been mentioned occasionally that 1366x768 is a disappointing resolution
for a 15.6" laptop --- how much of the $450 ``PIY Laptop Housing Kit'' would be reusable
for a different display?


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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then,

It has been mentioned occasionally that 1366x768 is a disappointing resolution
for a 15.6" laptop --- how much of the $450 ``PIY Laptop Housing Kit'' would be reusable
for a different display?

I think the 1366x768 is a limit of the EOMA-68 connector interface, not of the laptop display.
No EOMA-68 laptop can have a better resolution unless it had a cable to plug to the HDMI
output. But then this laptop would not be compatible with all possible EOMA-68 cards, only
those with an optional HDMI output, so quite off-charts.

A future EOMA-200 or whatever standard might allow for higher resolutions.

Or at least that's what I understand from what I read.

But I think 1366x768 is not disappointing, and it's quite in line with the overall features.
You don't get this laptop for high end features, that's for sure.


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Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
A future EOMA-200 or whatever standard might allow for higher resolutions.

yeah EOMA200 you can do 4x PCIe to an external Graphics Card.

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
Or at least that's what I understand from what I read.
But I think 1366x768 is not disappointing, and it's quite in line with the overall features.
You don't get this laptop for high end features, that's for sure.

yeah if you're a developer you get it to run off-grid, or as a
low-power long-life terminal to access faster servers, that sort of
thing.

l.

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Post by Wolfram Kahl

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
the update for the 1080p60 video should be out by then,

It has been mentioned occasionally that 1366x768 is a disappointing resolution
for a 15.6" laptop

it's surprisingly useable, plus you always have the HDMI output if
you need a 2nd (dual) screen or 1920x1080.

Post by Wolfram Kahl
--- how much of the $450 ``PIY Laptop Housing Kit'' would be reusable
for a different display?

if you didn't want to be EOMA68 compliant, you could re-use pretty
much all of it and just redo PCB1 (the main board) which has the LVDS
IC on it (SN75LVDS83b) and the step-up regulator for the LCD
backlight.

*HOWEVER*...

you would *NEED* to find a max 4.5 watt LCD (max 4.5 watt including
backlight) otherwise you would need to redesign the Power PCB. if you
redesign the Power PCB that's a massive cascade effect where you now
need to redesign the entire casework....

basically this casework is like for the "average person" doing a bit
of email, internet browsing, printing documents, watching films and so
on. it's in *no way* suited to software development, video editing
and the like.

l.

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Hi,

Post by Xavi Drudis Ferran
If those really add to the MOQ, and the MOQ is 250 I should warn everybody
who is thinking to order some card, that now they have the chance to be the

Unfortunately I have ordered my card and the pass-through card (I have to
check, if I realy have ordered that card)long ago.

Maybe I have little part of this success, as today i published this
https://loadaverage.org/notice/8373415
and this
https://pod.geraspora.de/posts/5095906

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