[Arm-netbook] Questions

Hi Wolfgang!

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Whrere is the OS which is delivered with thwe eoma68 stored? Surely one can
update it and install additional software?

Either on the SD card or on the flash.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

Of course! This is a free device and you can install whatever happens
to run on the A20. Have a look at the updates section where Luke has
demonstrated different OSs running on the card already.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Which Kernel will be delivered? I see, that you are trying the 4.7 kernel?

Whatever is stable at the moment of shipment I guess.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card?

In principle on both cards as they are identical hardware wise. But
you will need access to a proprietary driver that is not part of the
software package.

Kind regards,

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

2016-08-04 13:55:09 UTC

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Christian Kellermann

Post by Christian Kellermann
Hi Wolfgang!

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Whrere is the OS which is delivered with thwe eoma68 stored? Surely one can
update it and install additional software?

Either on the SD card or on the flash.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

Of course! This is a free device and you can install whatever happens
to run on the A20. Have a look at the updates section where Luke has
demonstrated different OSs running on the card already.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Which Kernel will be delivered? I see, that you are trying the 4.7 kernel?

Whatever is stable at the moment of shipment I guess.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card?

In principle on both cards as they are identical hardware wise. But
you will need access to a proprietary driver that is not part of the
software package.
Kind regards,
Christian
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Wolfgang Romey

2016-08-04 14:16:56 UTC

Hello Christian,

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

Of course! This is a free device and you can install whatever happens
to run on the A20. Have a look at the updates section where Luke has
demonstrated different OSs running on the card already.

I did not made clear, that I asked for a double boot system: Parabola from the
NAND and debian from the SD-Card for example (and sugar-OS from another card).
Or is double-boot from one sd-card possible?

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card?

In principle on both cards as they are identical hardware wise. But
you will need access to a proprietary driver that is not part of the
software package.

I think, in debian I could find that proprietary driver in debian non-free.
That seems to the reason, why luke cannot get the RYF certification for the
debian card.

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Christian Kellermann

2016-08-04 14:21:01 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Romey
Hello Christian,

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

Of course! This is a free device and you can install whatever happens
to run on the A20. Have a look at the updates section where Luke has
demonstrated different OSs running on the card already.

Whatever you tell U-Boot to boot will be possible. Given the sices of
the SD cards available the possibilities are (not really)
endless. Although there is no smooth boot selection menu as known by
other systems (You'd have to code that yourself).

The boot order of the NAND and SD Card depends on the settings of the
ROM code. IDK whether that's been changable easily. But I think the SD
card gets preferred so whatever U-Boot you start from there will be
able to also boot from NAND...

Am I making sense to you?

Cheers,

Christian

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Christian Kellermann

2016-08-04 14:22:59 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Romey
Hello Christian,

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

Of course! This is a free device and you can install whatever happens
to run on the A20. Have a look at the updates section where Luke has
demonstrated different OSs running on the card already.

One could probably use a bootmenu like this:
http://lightofdawn.org/wiki/wiki.cgi/KexecBootMenu

HTH,

Christian

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

2016-08-04 14:32:19 UTC

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Christian Kellermann

Post by Christian Kellermann
http://lightofdawn.org/wiki/wiki.cgi/KexecBootMenu

ahhh i like kexec. been meaning to investigate it.

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Lauri Kasanen

2016-08-04 14:38:35 UTC

On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:21:01 +0200

Post by Christian Kellermann
Whatever you tell U-Boot to boot will be possible. Given the sices of
the SD cards available the possibilities are (not really)
endless. Although there is no smooth boot selection menu as known by
other systems (You'd have to code that yourself).

There is support for chainloading grub 2 from u-boot, which would then
give a pretty menu and the usual things. Haven't used it myself though.

- Lauri

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

2016-08-04 14:39:25 UTC

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Post by Lauri Kasanen
On Thu, 4 Aug 2016 16:21:01 +0200

There is support for chainloading grub 2 from u-boot, which would then
give a pretty menu and the usual things. Haven't used it myself though.

for ARM? if so.... cool!

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2016-08-04 14:31:37 UTC

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Post by Wolfgang Romey
Hello Christian,

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

Of course! This is a free device and you can install whatever happens
to run on the A20. Have a look at the updates section where Luke has
demonstrated different OSs running on the card already.

ok yes that happens automatically due to the boot-ROM on the A20.
first it looks for MicroSD, if that's not there it looks for NAND.

yes you could double-boot from one sd-card, you'd be using u-boot to
do it, and you'd need to be doing it by command-line but it's
perfectly possible.

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Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card?

In principle on both cards as they are identical hardware wise. But
you will need access to a proprietary driver that is not part of the
software package.

I think, in debian I could find that proprietary driver in debian non-free.
That seems to the reason, why luke cannot get the RYF certification for the
debian card.

correct.

l.

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Wolfgang Romey

2016-08-04 14:37:05 UTC

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
ok yes that happens automatically due to the boot-ROM on the A20.
first it looks for MicroSD, if that's not there it looks for NAND.

I think than it would be better to have different system on different card. But
the importand thing is, that multiboot works.

Thanx

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2016-08-04 14:38:53 UTC

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Post by Wolfgang Romey

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
ok yes that happens automatically due to the boot-ROM on the A20.
first it looks for MicroSD, if that's not there it looks for NAND.

I think than it would be better to have different system on different card. But
the importand thing is, that multiboot works.

follow the link chain here
http://linux-sunxi.org/BROM

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2016-08-04 13:55:02 UTC

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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Wolfgang Romey (hier)

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Hello Luke
Whrere is the OS which is delivered with thwe eoma68 stored?

right now probably on a 4 or 8gb micro-sd unless i have time to test
NAND and be happy with it. people can always follow instructions
online to put it on NAND themselves.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Surely one can
update it and install additional software?

yes

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

yes

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Which Kernel will be delivered? I see, that you are trying the 4.7 kernel?

3.4 is stable. 4.7 is turning out not to be.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card?

yes - not recommended, but follow instructions online.

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Wolfgang Romey

2016-08-04 14:20:58 UTC

Hi Luke,

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
right now probably on a 4 or 8gb micro-sd unless i have time to test
NAND and be happy with it. people can always follow instructions
online to put it on NAND themselves.

If it is on the NAND, can I update it? I am used to update my debian-stretch
nearly every day.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Surely one can
update it and install additional software?

yes

On the NAND too?

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Can I boot different OSs?

yes

As you see in my other Email, I meant multiboot.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Which Kernel will be delivered? I see, that you are trying the 4.7 kernel?

3.4 is stable. 4.7 is turning out not to be.

Hopefully in march 2017 it is.

Post by Wolfgang Romey (hier)
Will it be possible to activate the 3D acceleration on the debian card?

yes - not recommended, but follow instructions online.

Of course, as it is non free.

Thank you.

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

2016-08-04 14:33:56 UTC

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Post by Wolfgang Romey
Hi Luke,

If it is on the NAND, can I update it?

of course. there are instructions online. look up "cubian" and
"nandinstall". it's a little obscure, but doable.

Post by Wolfgang Romey
I am used to update my debian-stretch
nearly every day.

yeah do watch out for that. do consider setting up "read-only
rootfs" - again, instructions to do that are online. several people
have done it.

Post by Wolfgang Romey