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[Arm-netbook] New Eoma68 housing idea
HeadsUpHigh
2017-02-17 13:23:17 UTC
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Hi, I think this indiegogo project has a very interesting form factor.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or
-win-10-os-laptop--2#/

I think this kind of form factor would be ideal for a new Eoma68
housing. Especially if there is an m.2 slot inside the housing for
extra storage( via usb 3.1 to sata3), this would make for a really good
extremely portable computer with the added bonuses of the upgradability
of the eoma68 standard as well as no space wasted for active cooling(
like that machine has).

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Russell Hyer
2017-02-17 13:27:17 UTC
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This page has disappeared or been moved, do you have the correct (new) URL?
Post by HeadsUpHigh
Hi, I think this indiegogo project has a very interesting form factor.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or
-win-10-os-laptop--2#/
I think this kind of form factor would be ideal for a new Eoma68
housing. Especially if there is an m.2 slot inside the housing for
extra storage( via usb 3.1 to sata3), this would make for a really good
extremely portable computer with the added bonuses of the upgradability
of the eoma68 standard as well as no space wasted for active cooling(
like that machine has).
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Vincent Legoll
2017-02-17 13:35:34 UTC
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It's on the home page:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or-win-10-os-laptop--2/pica
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Vincent Legoll
2017-02-17 13:36:32 UTC
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Oops, forget what I just said...
Broken link it is
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-17 14:48:32 UTC
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On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Vincent Legoll
Post by Vincent Legoll
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or-win-10-os-laptop--2/pica
okay i know the z8750, there are two variants, the T3 and the T4.
the T4 maxes out at 8GB ram and has a vast number of pins - i forget
how many but i believe it's like... 1000 or something. the pitch is
ridiculously small. it's basically a seriously-complex, very compact
design which will need some highly specialist engineering.

they've also used rather deceptive marketing by comparing a 1.6ghz
quad-core intel atom to the top-end i3 / i5 / i7 processors used in
the macbook pro series. i don't know if any of their backers have
noticed that but they're highly unlikely to be impressed with the
performance. mind you, the size and look of the device is great, so
they may not mind.

yes, it would be awesome for it to be an upgradeable concept. the
only thing is: 5mm cards in something that small means that the depth
has to be increased to a minimum of around....12mm. 1mm for the case,
1.5mm for the PCB, 6mm for the Card and appx 3-4mm for the keyboard.

the type I cards (3.3mm height) were what i wanted to move to, for
this kind of product design. it will require a large order in order
to justify re-tooling of the PCMCIA socket to a *mid-mount*
low-profile design. what can then be done is that the 3.3mm Card can
sit *FLUSH* with the *BOTTOM* edge of the PCB, in a cut-out section.
it then sits about 1.8mm above a 1.5mm PCB which is perfectly
acceptable.

however this requires either a sponsor, or a lot of backers, or...
etc. to get the tooling made.

l.

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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 15:35:09 UTC
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Did you see the amount of money they raised ? They are sitting at over
900k$ out of 200k$ needed originally. There is an insane market for these
devices that I totally didn't expect. I know their older product which was
more of a retro gaming/console thing with analog controllers was hugely
successful in S. Korea. Now that thing is probably outdated for a
reasonable windows experience. I can easily see this becoming a major
success with the added bonus of upgradability. I really think this could
work very well to the benefit of the standard. Also given that for freedom
reasons we are stuck with older and cheaper SoCs that do not support 3d via
f/oss drivers it also makes more sense to make a housing for a market that
also has lower power expectations.
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Vincent Legoll
Post by HeadsUpHigh
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-
laptop-ubuntu-or-win-10-os-laptop--2/pica
okay i know the z8750, there are two variants, the T3 and the T4.
the T4 maxes out at 8GB ram and has a vast number of pins - i forget
how many but i believe it's like... 1000 or something. the pitch is
ridiculously small. it's basically a seriously-complex, very compact
design which will need some highly specialist engineering.
they've also used rather deceptive marketing by comparing a 1.6ghz
quad-core intel atom to the top-end i3 / i5 / i7 processors used in
the macbook pro series. i don't know if any of their backers have
noticed that but they're highly unlikely to be impressed with the
performance. mind you, the size and look of the device is great, so
they may not mind.
yes, it would be awesome for it to be an upgradeable concept. the
only thing is: 5mm cards in something that small means that the depth
has to be increased to a minimum of around....12mm. 1mm for the case,
1.5mm for the PCB, 6mm for the Card and appx 3-4mm for the keyboard.
the type I cards (3.3mm height) were what i wanted to move to, for
this kind of product design. it will require a large order in order
to justify re-tooling of the PCMCIA socket to a *mid-mount*
low-profile design. what can then be done is that the 3.3mm Card can
sit *FLUSH* with the *BOTTOM* edge of the PCB, in a cut-out section.
it then sits about 1.8mm above a 1.5mm PCB which is perfectly
acceptable.
however this requires either a sponsor, or a lot of backers, or...
etc. to get the tooling made.
l.
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-17 16:46:13 UTC
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Did you see the amount of money they raised ? They are sitting at over 900k$
out of 200k$ needed originally. There is an insane market for these devices
that I totally didn't expect. I know their older product which was more of a
retro gaming/console thing with analog controllers was hugely successful in
S. Korea. Now that thing is probably outdated for a reasonable windows
experience. I can easily see this becoming a major success with the added
bonus of upgradability. I really think this could work very well to the
benefit of the standard. Also given that for freedom reasons we are stuck
with older and cheaper SoCs that do not support 3d via f/oss drivers it also
makes more sense to make a housing for a market that also has lower power
expectations.
well, thanks to some questioning last month we worked out a way to
increase (negotiate) power up to 10W, and i am working on a proposal /
concept to get an 8-core 64-bit RISC-V SoC produced.

we cannot rely on the incumbent SoC manufacturers to operate in an
ethical framework: they just don't understand the concept and it's not
important for them. they take the easy way out because that's *more
profitable*.

i think they're going to get a bit of a shock when the world's first
8-core RISC-V processor comes out, regardless of who makes it.

l.

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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 16:52:33 UTC
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Is that the master plan you with Allwinner you mentioned somewhere else ?
I'm very interested with the idea. The mere idea that you managed to get a
new SoC going on on a reasonable node despite the cost intrigues me a lot.
So what about all the other ip blocks involved in the soc ? Realistically
if such a small form factor wants to be successful it needs to have 3d.
Post by Bill Kontos
Post by Bill Kontos
Did you see the amount of money they raised ? They are sitting at over
900k$
Post by Bill Kontos
out of 200k$ needed originally. There is an insane market for these
devices
Post by Bill Kontos
that I totally didn't expect. I know their older product which was more
of a
Post by Bill Kontos
retro gaming/console thing with analog controllers was hugely successful
in
Post by Bill Kontos
S. Korea. Now that thing is probably outdated for a reasonable windows
experience. I can easily see this becoming a major success with the added
bonus of upgradability. I really think this could work very well to the
benefit of the standard. Also given that for freedom reasons we are stuck
with older and cheaper SoCs that do not support 3d via f/oss drivers it
also
Post by Bill Kontos
makes more sense to make a housing for a market that also has lower power
expectations.
well, thanks to some questioning last month we worked out a way to
increase (negotiate) power up to 10W, and i am working on a proposal /
concept to get an 8-core 64-bit RISC-V SoC produced.
we cannot rely on the incumbent SoC manufacturers to operate in an
ethical framework: they just don't understand the concept and it's not
important for them. they take the easy way out because that's *more
profitable*.
i think they're going to get a bit of a shock when the world's first
8-core RISC-V processor comes out, regardless of who makes it.
l.
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-17 17:03:13 UTC
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Post by Bill Kontos
Is that the master plan you with Allwinner you mentioned somewhere else ?
no it isn't.
Post by Bill Kontos
I'm very interested with the idea. The mere idea that you managed to get a
new SoC going on on a reasonable node despite the cost intrigues me a lot.
i haven't - i'm putting in proposals and finding candidate people to work with.
Post by Bill Kontos
So what about all the other ip blocks involved in the soc ? Realistically if
such a small form factor wants to be successful it needs to have 3d.
Nyuzi and MIAOU. GPLGPU is out because... well... its designer
unfortunately doesn't understand that you can't modify the GPL by
adding a clause "this is GPL except if you want to use it for
commercial purposes then, well, sorry, but you can't", that's *not*
the GPL, it's a proprietary (closed source) license. whoops.

so, Nyuzi it is, along with MIAOU as a *separate* engine which will
do OpenCL and will need to be made use of separately (in software).
also great for parallel processing tasks as-is.

there will need to be a *lot* of software development - even for the
hardware. the lowrisc designers aren't *actually* developing any
peripherals: they're putting in what they call "minion cores" which
basically do bit-banging of various GPIO pins under their control, in
effect *becoming* peripherals. (if it's dedicated bit-banging, it's
not really bit-banging, is it?) the nice thing is: you can literally
implement any protocol you care to.

i want to have a word with them to make sure that there's some
differential pairs connected to the minion cores, with variable power
domains. that would make it *potentially* possible for people to
either use them as an open high-speed inter-connect, or to implement
various high-speed peripheral buses such as PCIe, LVDS, MIPI, eDP and
HDMI - all depending on whether the minion cores can handle it and are
set up to do DMA or not: just have to see.

so about the only thing that would need to be licensed (at this
stage) would be DDR3 RAM interfaces. everything else is covered from
opencores.org, including an LCD/VGA controller, USB2, and many others.

VP8 and VP9 are available from google with no royalties if you are
going to production silicon. MP4 can easily be obtained.

l.

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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 17:18:15 UTC
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So from my understanding Nyuzi is for gpgpu while MIAOU is for actual
rendering ? What kind of performance is reasonable to expect from this ?
Would it reach something like the mali 400 mp2 ?
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Bill Kontos
Is that the master plan you with Allwinner you mentioned somewhere else ?
no it isn't.
Post by Bill Kontos
I'm very interested with the idea. The mere idea that you managed to get
a
Post by Bill Kontos
new SoC going on on a reasonable node despite the cost intrigues me a
lot.
i haven't - i'm putting in proposals and finding candidate people to work with.
Post by Bill Kontos
So what about all the other ip blocks involved in the soc ?
Realistically if
Post by Bill Kontos
such a small form factor wants to be successful it needs to have 3d.
Nyuzi and MIAOU. GPLGPU is out because... well... its designer
unfortunately doesn't understand that you can't modify the GPL by
adding a clause "this is GPL except if you want to use it for
commercial purposes then, well, sorry, but you can't", that's *not*
the GPL, it's a proprietary (closed source) license. whoops.
so, Nyuzi it is, along with MIAOU as a *separate* engine which will
do OpenCL and will need to be made use of separately (in software).
also great for parallel processing tasks as-is.
there will need to be a *lot* of software development - even for the
hardware. the lowrisc designers aren't *actually* developing any
peripherals: they're putting in what they call "minion cores" which
basically do bit-banging of various GPIO pins under their control, in
effect *becoming* peripherals. (if it's dedicated bit-banging, it's
not really bit-banging, is it?) the nice thing is: you can literally
implement any protocol you care to.
i want to have a word with them to make sure that there's some
differential pairs connected to the minion cores, with variable power
domains. that would make it *potentially* possible for people to
either use them as an open high-speed inter-connect, or to implement
various high-speed peripheral buses such as PCIe, LVDS, MIPI, eDP and
HDMI - all depending on whether the minion cores can handle it and are
set up to do DMA or not: just have to see.
so about the only thing that would need to be licensed (at this
stage) would be DDR3 RAM interfaces. everything else is covered from
opencores.org, including an LCD/VGA controller, USB2, and many others.
VP8 and VP9 are available from google with no royalties if you are
going to production silicon. MP4 can easily be obtained.
l.
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-17 17:23:28 UTC
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Post by Bill Kontos
So from my understanding Nyuzi is for gpgpu while MIAOU is for actual
rendering ?
look them up. Nyuzi is a stand-alone full GPU. MIAOU is a
*research* project that implements OpenMP and nothing more.
Post by Bill Kontos
What kind of performance is reasonable to expect from this ?
i have absolutely no idea but an easy way to answer that is to find
out how many "triangles per second" that Nyuzi can handle. MIAOU is
custom parallelisable and as it's a research project the performance
numbers are listed.

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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 17:32:40 UTC
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The Nyuzi website has a demo that renders 2300 triangles at 50mhz but there
isn't any mention about the frames per second so I can't get a triangles
per second result.
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Bill Kontos
So from my understanding Nyuzi is for gpgpu while MIAOU is for actual
rendering ?
look them up. Nyuzi is a stand-alone full GPU. MIAOU is a
*research* project that implements OpenMP and nothing more.
Post by Bill Kontos
What kind of performance is reasonable to expect from this ?
i have absolutely no idea but an easy way to answer that is to find
out how many "triangles per second" that Nyuzi can handle. MIAOU is
custom parallelisable and as it's a research project the performance
numbers are listed.
l.
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-17 22:52:26 UTC
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Post by Bill Kontos
The Nyuzi website has a demo that renders 2300 triangles at 50mhz but there
isn't any mention about the frames per second so I can't get a triangles per
second result.
lots of reading between the lines needed, a few more steps. find a
GPU (any GPU) which has a dmo with a fps rate *and* a
triangles-per-second metric, assume a linear relationship (reasonable
for a first approximation) and scale up.

2300 triangles per second @ 50mhz is fantastically low btw. there's
something very wrong with the demo hardware setup, and/or it's onlly
using one "engine" due to limitations of e.g. the FPGA. so, that'll
probably be 2300 triangles / sec @ 50mhz *per parallel GPU engine*
but you'll have to investigate to confirm that.

l.

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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 23:40:53 UTC
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Yes it's only one core. The number of cores the final soc will have and how
well they can scale is another story of course.
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Bill Kontos
The Nyuzi website has a demo that renders 2300 triangles at 50mhz but
there
Post by Bill Kontos
isn't any mention about the frames per second so I can't get a triangles
per
Post by Bill Kontos
second result.
lots of reading between the lines needed, a few more steps. find a
GPU (any GPU) which has a dmo with a fps rate *and* a
triangles-per-second metric, assume a linear relationship (reasonable
for a first approximation) and scale up.
something very wrong with the demo hardware setup, and/or it's onlly
using one "engine" due to limitations of e.g. the FPGA. so, that'll
but you'll have to investigate to confirm that.
l.
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Lyberta
2017-02-18 05:05:00 UTC
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Hi, there is so much talk about other SoCs. But what about the A20? How
much work is left and will it actually be shipped in April?
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-18 05:36:19 UTC
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Post by Lyberta
Hi, there is so much talk about other SoCs.
only one: the RK3288.
Post by Lyberta
But what about the A20?
How much work is left
two updates stacked in the queue with crowdsupply, so i will be brief.
Post by Lyberta
and will it actually be shipped in April?
very unlikely.

2.4.0 board used amphenol reverse-mid-mount connector which i learned
has been discontinued. sole exclusive supplier: farnell in the UK.
DDR3 2GB upgrade confirmed working. 9 samples available.

2.4.1 board used runde micro-hdmi. not ideal. only 2 samples made:
both don't work: V-Cut trashed tracks right at the edge producing
shorts in one and unreliability in the other.

2.7.1 board is to use the JAE DC3 mid-mount connector which is *much*
better. 2.7.1 had to be done anyway (to test the DC3 connector) so
2.4.1 isn't a complete write-off.... @ $1.8k a a shot....

2.7.1 board will be done here in taiwan.

i am *not* going to production until i have a fully working
pre-production set of samples. i don't care what the shipping date
says: i am *NOT* going to rush ahead and produce 1,000 boards that
simply... don't work. i KNOW you will trust that that's ok.

details in updates. including why i haven't been writing updates
(every couple of weeks), because it's really hard to concentrate when
you're sleeping for about 12 hours a day due to yet *another* round of
virus(es).

l.

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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 13:41:08 UTC
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You need to copy and paste the entire link, the part that goes on the next
line doesn't get recognized as part of the link for some reason.
Post by Russell Hyer
This page has disappeared or been moved, do you have the correct (new) URL?
Post by HeadsUpHigh
Hi, I think this indiegogo project has a very interesting form factor.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or
-win-10-os-laptop--2#/
I think this kind of form factor would be ideal for a new Eoma68
housing. Especially if there is an m.2 slot inside the housing for
extra storage( via usb 3.1 to sata3), this would make for a really good
extremely portable computer with the added bonuses of the upgradability
of the eoma68 standard as well as no space wasted for active cooling(
like that machine has).
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Russell Hyer
2017-02-17 13:50:43 UTC
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ah, I see original broken link has:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or_-win-10-os-laptop--2#/

whereas correct link has:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or-win-10-os-laptop--2#/

(so, underscore error in the original link)

Still, the product itself doesn't sound that amazing; true, there is
other micro hardware on this basis, but, if you're out and about, pen
& paper is still easiest to work with. Still, the beauty of EOMA68 is
that we will be able to create new housings if there's a need. But as
to ergonomics, I think a micro laptop lacks a certain something...

Russ
Spending his 2 cents like he had cashed all his chips in already!
Post by Bill Kontos
You need to copy and paste the entire link, the part that goes on the next
line doesn't get recognized as part of the link for some reason.
Post by Russell Hyer
This page has disappeared or been moved, do you have the correct (new) URL?
Post by HeadsUpHigh
Hi, I think this indiegogo project has a very interesting form factor.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-laptop-ubuntu-or
-win-10-os-laptop--2#/
I think this kind of form factor would be ideal for a new Eoma68
housing. Especially if there is an m.2 slot inside the housing for
extra storage( via usb 3.1 to sata3), this would make for a really good
extremely portable computer with the added bonuses of the upgradability
of the eoma68 standard as well as no space wasted for active cooling(
like that machine has).
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Bill Kontos
2017-02-17 14:00:25 UTC
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Wait what underscore, I didn't put any underscores I just copy pasted the
url. it works fine on my inbox, but if I use the mailing list archive it's
broken.

Anyway, the reason why I think this is cool is because it merges the
use-cases of a tablet/gps with the benefits of an ultraportable with an
actual keyboard that you can type on. Maybe if the screen was a little
bigger they keyboard would be more useful as well. I could easily see
myself bringing a 9 inch variant of this with me on holidays( I never bring
my 15.6 inch laptop for example, sometimes i wish I could leave my phone
behind too to completely disconnect) for e.g. watching a movie at night
when camping or using it for either offline or online gps/ map usage.
Couple it with a decent camera and it pretty much covers all the use cases
of a high end tablet( but probably slower if it uses the A20 for example).
Post by HeadsUpHigh
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-
laptop-ubuntu-or_-win-10-os-laptop--2#/
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-
laptop-ubuntu-or-win-10-os-laptop--2#/
(so, underscore error in the original link)
Still, the product itself doesn't sound that amazing; true, there is
other micro hardware on this basis, but, if you're out and about, pen
& paper is still easiest to work with. Still, the beauty of EOMA68 is
that we will be able to create new housings if there's a need. But as
to ergonomics, I think a micro laptop lacks a certain something...
Russ
Spending his 2 cents like he had cashed all his chips in already!
Post by Bill Kontos
You need to copy and paste the entire link, the part that goes on the
next
Post by Bill Kontos
line doesn't get recognized as part of the link for some reason.
Post by Russell Hyer
This page has disappeared or been moved, do you have the correct (new) URL?
Post by HeadsUpHigh
Hi, I think this indiegogo project has a very interesting form factor.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-umpc-
laptop-ubuntu-or
Post by Bill Kontos
Post by Russell Hyer
Post by HeadsUpHigh
-win-10-os-laptop--2#/
I think this kind of form factor would be ideal for a new Eoma68
housing. Especially if there is an m.2 slot inside the housing for
extra storage( via usb 3.1 to sata3), this would make for a really
good
Post by Bill Kontos
Post by Russell Hyer
Post by HeadsUpHigh
extremely portable computer with the added bonuses of the
upgradability
Post by Bill Kontos
Post by Russell Hyer
Post by HeadsUpHigh
of the eoma68 standard as well as no space wasted for active cooling(
like that machine has).
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Julie Marchant
2017-02-17 14:27:59 UTC
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This isn't a new idea, you've just given it a new reference. This is the
page about it:

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John Luke Gibson
2017-02-19 03:52:02 UTC
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well, thanks to some questioning last month we worked out a way to
increase (negotiate) power up to 10W, and i am working on a proposal /
concept to get an 8-core 64-bit RISC-V SoC produced.
And, didn't read this thread: RK3288 PCB first prototype assembled.

I hate to add, because it seems Luke was sufficiently crass, but I'd
like to explain why it was justified and appropriate, even if it comes
off as insult to injury, it is only meant to explain so truly harmful
stress can be avoided in the future.

When you are communicating on this mailing-list, you are not
contacting customer support and you are not engaging with a
corporation, a corporate entity, or any type of public relations
entity.

When/If you backed this project you did not back any person or
organization. We are the organization, you included even if you are
the metaphorical equivalent to a lazy employee just like I am [at
least, I admit it]. By messaging on this mailing-list, you are not
messaging to this organization, but-rather as a part of it, because
this is an internal communication channel where we [this organization]
are collaborating the planning and design of our thing.

Luke, being the one whom holds the funds we have gathered to build our
things, is simply a very pro-active member of this organization that
has existed long before this campaign has, whom has become a trusted
agent of this organization with the sole purpose of performing our
grande finale in this epic. Once that role is complete Luke will
ultimately return to being like the rest of us until the certification
mark is registered, that is to say hopefully if it is successfully
registered.

We owe a lot to Luke, being the still unconventional and still
unfortunately somewhat amorphous segment of the Linux community
dedicated to hardware that we are, [and, that is the only definition
for organization I will provide here] Luke certainly seems on the path
to fulfilling such prerequisites as would complete the mandate of such
temporal authority, and perhaps deserving it, as only history can
tell.

This organization will still exist even after this grande finale which
now should seem as ever impending as it ever has been, and as such it
is only natural that we talk about the hereafter of this whole
project. Luke, making mention of a proposal to build a RISC-V SoC was
not supposed as recommendation for this project as even a "Lazy
Employee" such as yourself [please excuse the metaphor] can obviously
see that wouldn't work.

There are still many more epics to be written after this one, and,
with the temporal authority supposed to be placed in Luke's hands
shortly hereafter [re-read that until you get the pun and can laugh,
because you won't understand the sentence until you get the pun; it
happens with the word suppose], I can trust that it will be a great
one with great OpenCores.

Yes, Luke must be accountable being trusted with these funds that the
fellow is, but this type of questioning now is an insult because we
are supposed to be doing this for ourselves. Luke's deadline is soon,
but we, being that we are doing this project for ourselves, have no
deadline especially being that the sooner we rush this the less work
and the more likely to fail we are. The deadline here is partly on us
to help Luke build these boards the best we can remotely, and, if Luke
were to fail to create a board soon after we develop a promising
prototype, then we question Luke and hold accountable thereof. That
very clearly hasn't happened and, in fact, the opposite has very
clearly happened and, if Luke, in celebration of completing part of
the trust we had in him, sings song of the next epic we shall write
and you question it in this way that you have, you are not only
insulting Luke severely, you are identifying yourself very opaquely as
the colloquial "Lazy Employee".

Please pay attention.

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2017-02-19 04:01:01 UTC
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Post by John Luke Gibson
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
well, thanks to some questioning last month we worked out a way to
increase (negotiate) power up to 10W, and i am working on a proposal /
concept to get an 8-core 64-bit RISC-V SoC produced.
And, didn't read this thread: RK3288 PCB first prototype assembled.
I hate to add, because it seems Luke was sufficiently crass,
i was in the middle of debugging something, and had written (at
length and at a less distracting more appropriate time but
unfortunately it's in the crowdsupply pipeline) a status update...
actually two.

john i appreciate your support, do try to be... less forthright than
i am when focussing on things :) but yes: it would be most helpful if
people could, as a general rule, make an effort to read back through
the archives, bear in mind that the messages posted reach about 800
people immediately, and several thousands later over the next few
years/decades.

a "when's it ready" question is often best asked on the irc channel.
bear in mind that you should not expect an immediate response, should
leave your irc client open and permanently running, so that people can
see *and respond* to your message any time up to 36 hours after you
wrote it.

l.

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John Luke Gibson
2017-02-19 04:09:54 UTC
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john i appreciate your support, do try to be... less forthright than
i am when focussing on things :)
I am afraid :>
Being overly forthright will forever be my crime

It is my over compensating for a perceived blindness in the world.
If an extraterrestrial ever saw through it, I would be thoroughly
flushed and embarrassed xD

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