[Arm-netbook] A biggish 3D printer on kickstarter

[joem]

A biggish 3D printer on kickstarter:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wpt-3d-printer-professional-printer-for-everyone

Big enough to print out complete eoma netbook or
gadget box for USD600 (with all the risks of spending money on
kickstarter projects). 250x250x300mm print volume

I ordered one :)

[Christopher Havel]

Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an
out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.

Hmm. Might have to submit this one to the Hackaday Tip Line for
evaluation...

Post by joem
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wpt-3d-printer-professional-printer-for-everyone
Big enough to print out complete eoma netbook or
gadget box for USD600 (with all the risks of spending money on
kickstarter projects). 250x250x300mm print volume
I ordered one :)
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[joem]

Post by Christopher Havel
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an
out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.

I am not sure where that comes from.

I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.
There is video of working unit.

If anything that is safer than fixed funding because
fixed funding is genuine frontier project where the tools such as
injection molds don't exist and promises of volume discount may
not materialise. I bought Snaak for example, and they nearly
went under because they estimate their tooling cost incorrectly
(happily an investor stepped forward to help them).

Anyway kickstarter/indiegogo is not a place for betting.
Its for frontier stuff where there is commitment
to fellow techies no matter what the outcome may be.

Post by Christopher Havel
Hmm. Might have to submit this one to the Hackaday Tip Line for
evaluation...
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/wpt-3d-printer-professional-printer-for-everyone
Big enough to print out complete eoma netbook or
gadget box for USD600 (with all the risks of spending money on
kickstarter projects). 250x250x300mm print volume
I ordered one :)
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[peter green]

Post by joem

Post by Christopher Havel
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an
out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.

I am not sure where that comes from.
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.
There is video of working unit.

I thought the whole point of crowdfunding campaigns was to deal with
those situations where you had a good idea but needed a minimum ammount
of committed funds to make it viable to move forward and where eaither
more traditional funding routes had failed or the creator didn't want to
give up control.

Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a
crowdfunding campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an
advertising and preorder site.

[joem]

Post by peter green

Post by joem

Post by Christopher Havel
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an
out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.

I am not sure where that comes from.
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.
There is video of working unit.

I thought the whole point of crowdfunding campaigns was to deal with
those situations where you had a good idea but needed a minimum ammount
of committed funds to make it viable to move forward and where eaither
more traditional funding routes had failed or the creator didn't want to
give up control.
Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a
crowdfunding campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an
advertising and preorder site.

Exactly correct but there is a point - and it being that you are
starting out but don't have much of a market presence for that new thing
and so rely on the crowd to help. Indiegogo is different in allowing
that kind of funding model and charge more for the service.

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

Post by joem
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.

... in other words this is not a crowd-funding campaign at all, but a
shopping opportunity.

Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a crowdfunding
campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an advertising and
preorder site.

in other words... a shop.

yeah this is what annoys me about tech-related crowd-funding: it's
pretty much impossible to find crowdfunding sites that allow actual
requests for funding to *develop* a potential product.

l.

[Lauri Kasanen]

On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:33:42 +0100

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

Post by joem
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.

... in other words this is not a crowd-funding campaign at all, but a
shopping opportunity.

You're missing the more cynical angle: they don't have enough to make
the product, *and* they don't think they'd reach the goal in a
traditional crowdfunding model.

With this they take what they can get, but the product may not get made
until/if they get more funding from somewhere else.

- Lauri

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

Post by Lauri Kasanen
On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:33:42 +0100

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

Post by joem
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.

... in other words this is not a crowd-funding campaign at all, but a
shopping opportunity.

You're missing the more cynical angle: they don't have enough to make
the product, *and* they don't think they'd reach the goal in a
traditional crowdfunding model.
With this they take what they can get, but the product may not get made
until/if they get more funding from somewhere else.

true... those are always the two extremes: they did everything, they
worked out the qty 1 pricing and multiplied it up, they did all the
research correctly into supply, they're utilising the crowdfunding
merely as a shop OR they have no idea, they lied, they are
incompetent, they cannot be trusted, they don't know what they're
doing, they are knowingly misleading everyone...

so it's up to you (individually) to make some reasonably sound
judgement as to which side of those two extremes you wish to believe
to be true.

personally if they have a working model then i'm inclined towards the
former. also their location would tend to indicate a lower materials
cost.

it would help if they indicated some sort of interaction with the
open hardware community where their competence and committment could
be assessed, along with videos of it in operation.

l.

[Echo Peacock]

Typos and flex funding. I wouldn't touch it personally.



Sent from my Fire

Post by joem

Post by Christopher Havel
Flexible funding. That's a little concerning... not necessarily an
out-and-out indicator of a scam, but a red flag to me nonetheless.

I am not sure where that comes from.
I was under the impression flex funding implies they had
all the resources they needed. So even an order for 1 unit
will get built because they are already building it.
There is video of working unit.

I thought the whole point of crowdfunding campaigns was to deal with
those situations where you had a good idea but needed a minimum ammount
of committed funds to make it viable to move forward and where eaither
more traditional funding routes had failed or the creator didn't want to
give up control.

Flexible funding always strikes me as missing the point of a
crowdfunding campaign and treating the crowdfunding site as merely an
advertising and preorder site.



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