[Arm-netbook] Wikipedia article

[Sam Pablo Kuper]

Congratulations on exceeding the funding threshold!

EOMA68 now has a stub-class article on the English Wikipedia. It could
do with being expanded, with references to reliable sources as per
Wikipedia policy. Probably Luke shouldn't do that, to avoid conflict of
interest, but it would be great if others chipped in with the effort :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOMA68

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper
Congratulations on exceeding the funding threshold!

thxman

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper
EOMA68 now has a stub-class article on the English Wikipedia.

yay!

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper
It could
do with being expanded, with references to reliable sources as per
Wikipedia policy. Probably Luke shouldn't do that, to avoid conflict of
interest, but it would be great if others chipped in with the effort :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOMA68

i like baiting wikifascists.... let's have some fun mwahaahah oops
sorry, should i be taking this seriously? :)

l.

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[Christopher Havel]

I'd say you should. If Wiki's people decide that there's too much
information from a primary source, they'll quite likely delete the article
altogether. That, needless to say, would probably be kind of bad.

[Sam Pablo Kuper]

Post by Christopher Havel
I'd say you should. If Wiki's people decide that there's too much
information from a primary source, they'll quite likely delete the article
altogether. That, needless to say, would probably be kind of bad.

Exactly.

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[Sam Pablo Kuper]

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Post by Christopher Havel
I'd say you should. If Wiki's people decide that there's too much
information from a primary source, they'll quite likely delete the article
altogether. That, needless to say, would probably be kind of bad.

Exactly.

Also, "wikifascists" isn't exactly constructive language. Without a
decent, impartially applied conflict of interest policy, Wikipedia would
undoubtedly suffer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict-of-interest_editing_on_Wikipedia

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper

Post by Christopher Havel
I'd say you should. If Wiki's people decide that there's too much
information from a primary source, they'll quite likely delete the article
altogether. That, needless to say, would probably be kind of bad.

Exactly.

Also, "wikifascists" isn't exactly constructive language. Without a
decent, impartially applied conflict of interest policy, Wikipedia would

having regularly encountered blatant violation of wikipedia policy
by long-term wikipedia editors when i've endeavoured to provide
accurate technical information where highly-technical articles were
clearly wrong or completely lacking, i feel i'm entitled to use the
term accurately.... despite it not being very nice.

i won't provide evidence of what happened because one of the
incidents was down to accidental anonymity (on my part - i simply
forgot to log in). the attacks on that "anonymous IP address" were so
violent that i have absolutely no intention of letting the
wikifascists who attacked the "anonymous" technical contributions know
who i am.

btw just to be *absolutely clear* i'm using "Definition 2" as
outlined here: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascist
certainly not Definitions 1 or 3!

l.

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[Christopher Havel]

I hate to say it, but that sounds like regular "srs biz" on the Internet.

There are an awful lot of hateful jerks out there...

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

WHOA folks please don't add "it's a linux computer" or crap like that
- it's a general-purpose *STANDARD*.... not a "linux computer" or a
"libreboot" device.
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper
Congratulations on exceeding the funding threshold!
EOMA68 now has a stub-class article on the English Wikipedia. It could
do with being expanded, with references to reliable sources as per
Wikipedia policy. Probably Luke shouldn't do that, to avoid conflict of
interest, but it would be great if others chipped in with the effort :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOMA68
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[Muhammed Adel Afzal]

Is "libre" better defined, and a better match, for EOMA-68? Better than "open" standard, I mean. Genuine question .. I have no idea.

Wiki says "open" right now.

Adel

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WHOA folks please don't add "it's a linux computer" or crap like that
- it's a general-purpose *STANDARD*.... not a "linux computer" or a
"libreboot" device.
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Sam Pablo Kuper

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper
Congratulations on exceeding the funding threshold!
EOMA68 now has a stub-class article on the English Wikipedia. It could
do with being expanded, with references to reliable sources as per
Wikipedia policy. Probably Luke shouldn't do that, to avoid conflict of
interest, but it would be great if others chipped in with the effort :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOMA68
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Post by Muhammed Adel Afzal
Is "libre" better defined, and a better match, for EOMA-68? Better than "open" standard, I mean. Genuine question .. I have no idea.
Wiki says "open" right now.

i know... it doesn't say "open source" though :)

honestly, i don't know. "libre" has a specific connotation that
requires that the "four freedoms" be applied to it. i honestly
haven't evaluated that yet.

l.

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[Vincent Legoll]

And after having read some of the heat the project got on forums & mls
we should be careful with the terms used to describe the "libreness"
of it or it could degenerate quickly into an wikipedia editing war...

Just my 2cents

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Post by Muhammed Adel Afzal
Is "libre" better defined, and a better match, for EOMA-68? Better than
"open" standard, I mean. Genuine question .. I have no idea.
Wiki says "open" right now.

i know... it doesn't say "open source" though :)
honestly, i don't know. "libre" has a specific connotation that
requires that the "four freedoms" be applied to it. i honestly
haven't evaluated that yet.
l.
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Post by Muhammed Adel Afzal
Is "libre" better defined, and a better match, for EOMA-68? Better than
"open" standard, I mean. Genuine question .. I have no idea.
Wiki says "open" right now.

Back in the thread about OSHWA ("need help! getting a bit overwhelmed on
lists.oshwa.org"), I wrote that "terms like "open standards" have tried to
retain their credibility, but there are still controversies about "RAND",
"FRAND" and other nasty traps that give claims of openness little face value".

"RAND" means "reasonable and non-discriminatory"; "FRAND" means "fair,
reasonable and non-discriminatory":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_and_non-discriminatory_licensing

Both terms are often used by organisations wishing to portray standards they
support (or have proposed) as being inclusive, with the "non-discriminatory"
aspect supposedly prohibiting the kind of shady practice of charging one
licencee one fee and another a higher fee, often to coerce licencees into a
pattern of desired behaviour (which is what Microsoft was apparently doing
with its product licencees, making hardware manufacturers drop competing
software products or pay higher licensing fees).

And the "reasonable" aspect may actually exclude Free Software projects and
organisations because any licensing of the standard may involve a fee that
then prevents the normal distribution of Free Software. By insisting on any
fee, even a small one and even a one-off fee, smaller organisations and
individuals may not be able to carry the burden, particularly if there are
other "FRAND" standards that they also have to licence. And of course, any
licensing fees payable upon distribution are just incompatible with Free
Software, anyway: people can share Free Software after having received it; are
they supposed to collect patent licensing fees from their friends to send to
the standards cartel?

Still, I don't know of any terms that are currently better than "open
standard", although I don't follow discussions about that kind of thing,
either.

Paul

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[Paul Boddie]

Post by Sam Pablo Kuper
Congratulations on exceeding the funding threshold!
EOMA68 now has a stub-class article on the English Wikipedia. It could
do with being expanded, with references to reliable sources as per
Wikipedia policy. Probably Luke shouldn't do that, to avoid conflict of
interest, but it would be great if others chipped in with the effort :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EOMA68

It's a great start! I took the liberty of adding and refining some references
to avoid the ubiquitous "citation needed".

Paul

P.S. Congratulations from me, too! I thought the campaign wouldn't make it,
but then everybody seemed to think it was either now or never. (I guess people
can still pledge after the deadline, though, because manufacturing surely
doesn't happen until between the new years. Right?)

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[Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo]

Post by Paul Boddie
P.S. Congratulations from me, too!

+1 metoo \o/

Post by Paul Boddie
I thought the campaign wouldn't make it,
but then everybody seemed to think it was either now or never. (I guess people
can still pledge after the deadline, though, because manufacturing surely
doesn't happen until between the new years. Right?)

Judging by Novena and other campaings, looks like people can do
pre-orders / orders after the campaign ends successfully (so Luke could
get to 650+ instead of 250 MOQ for the cards).


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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo

Post by Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo

Post by Paul Boddie
P.S. Congratulations from me, too!

+1 metoo \o/

thx all

Post by Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo
Judging by Novena and other campaings, looks like people can do
pre-orders / orders after the campaign ends successfully (so Luke could
get to 650+ instead of 250 MOQ for the cards).

yyyep.

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