[Arm-netbook] Cell phone question

[Joseph Lira]

Hello

So I read in one of your updates about the raspberry zero phone, it sound really cool and for some time i wanted to get a smartphone but i see that they all have sort shelf lives meaning you buy the lastest samsung and it will get maybe updates for 2 years which at that point its viewed as obsolete, not to mention all the lock downs from the vendor/manufacture. I have looked at copperhead os but they still have the issue with shelf life 3 years tops, so im wondering what phone do you guys use? I just want a phone that let me listen to my music, use the gps without any ties, control the camera, some apps, that i can keep updating and patching until its truelly obsolete and all will still respecting my privacy, does such a phone exist?

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[Bluey]

Post by Joseph Lira
Hello
So I read in one of your updates about the raspberry zero phone, it sound really cool and for some time i wanted to get a smartphone but i see that they all have sort shelf lives meaning you buy the lastest samsung and it will get maybe updates for 2 years which at that point its viewed as obsolete, not to mention all the lock downs from the vendor/manufacture. I have looked at copperhead os but they still have the issue with shelf life 3 years tops, so im wondering what phone do you guys use? I just want a phone that let me listen to my music, use the gps without any ties, control the camera, some apps, that i can keep updating and patching until its truelly obsolete and all will still respecting my privacy, does such a phone exist?

Hi Joseph,

to my knowledge, your best option might be to purchase a second-hand
Samsung Galaxy II, III, or Note 2 and install Replicant OS (http://www.replicant.us/) on it.

Unfortunately, that won’t completely cover your requirements, as GPS won’t be available
unless you use non-libre software.

Also, if you want to use WiFi then you will need to use an external USB adaptor such as:

https://tehnoetic.com/tehnoetic-wireless-adapter-gnu-linux-libre-tet-n150
https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/penguin-wireless-n-usb-adapter-gnu-linux-tpe-n150usb

Protection of privacy is another completely different question. How you view the privacy offered
by a phone and the system it interacts with (advertisers, nation-state actors, etc.) depends on your
threat modelling as well as the information you have available to you about that system.

Libre software and hardware allows for a higher degree of trustworthiness but does not specifically
provide any additional security or privacy advantages over proprietary systems. Although the
more eyes on something principle generally valid (greater opportunities to find flaws), the
nature of security and privacy engineering is such that they are a highly specialised disciplines and
just having information available in the public domain does not necessarily mean that the few
specialists capable of improving libre systems to make them more secure or more private are
free, able, and willing to do so.

- Bluey


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I should note, having had a Galaxy SIII up until quite recently, that
Samsung no longer makes batteries for it, and the counterfeits are truly
awful -- as are "remanufactured" batteries. I now have an S5 with no
complaints -- but persistent battery issues were one of two big reasons I
got rid of the SIII I had. (The other reason was that the microphone had
begun to give me issues.)
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Post by Joseph Lira
Hello
does such a phone exist?

I think a common phone will get lineageos compatible. By default lineageos comes with no google applications.
If lineageos apart from that gives you enough privacy and
security, I also would want to know?

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[Bill Kontos]

i can keep updating and patching until its truelly obsolete and all will still >respecting my privacy, does such a phone exist?

No. Mobile networks require closed-source firmware by law and gps
requires proprietary software too. Personally as long as the phone
does not use the camera or the microphone without my permission it's
fine by me, since the technology underlying it means the network
company will be able to track you anyway when you make calls. I'm
using an LG G3 which from a durability point of view has been stellar.
Been using it for exactly what you described more or less, dropped it
from the first floor with no protective case multiple times, still
works flawless. Additionally, and unfortunately this is not granted
these days it has removable battery. With a new battery it can easily
last an entire day, after 2.5 years it still lasts a day if you don't
stress it much. With 4g open and web browsing it will die after ~4-5h.
Listening to spotify via 4g with the screen turned off still lasts
8+h. Charging is relatively fast. A bit of overheating issues if you
stress it though. I haven't done it myself but there are ways to flash
it, so you are not stuck with the default lg skin. Just don't accept
the legal notice at boot so the lg apps won't launch and hog your
battery.

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[Isaac David]

Post by Bill Kontos
the technology underlying it means the network
company will be able to track you anyway when you make calls.

afaik not only then, but whenever network radio is turned
on and transmitting; which for existing mobile protocols
sadly means all the time.
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[Bill Kontos]

Post by Isaac David
afaik not only then, but whenever network radio is turned
on and transmitting; which for existing mobile protocols
sadly means all the time.

Yep. Essentially if you are going to use a phone you will have to do
that tradeoff.

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