[Arm-netbook] Cost of pre-production prototypes?

[Adam Van Ymeren]

Hey Luke,

Your latest crowd supply update mentions wanting people to buy the pre-production prototypes and ideally help contribute to the software.

How much are you planning to sell them for? I'd be interested in one, and I'd love to help contribute to the software side of this project as it's much more within my skill set than high frequency HDMI routing.

Cheers,
-Adam

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

Post by Adam Van Ymeren
Hey Luke,
Your latest crowd supply update mentions wanting people to buy the
pre-production prototypes and ideally help contribute to the software.

yehyeh that would be awesome. and a huge help to everyone.

Post by Adam Van Ymeren
How much are you planning to sell them for?

well they cost around $USD 200 each (possibly more) to make - 10 of
them were made @ around $USD 2,000. however i have a very simple
rule: i can only accept what people are *grateful* and willing to pay.
so, basically: offers accepted immediately without hesitation, and
with gratitude. i have... five left i think. also you'll likely need
a micro-desktop (i have some 1.6 boards available) they were something
like...$50 to put together.

also please bear in mind, i'm in taiwan, i can't read the street
signs: i travel by recognition of bus stop numbers and landmarks. i
mention this because it would be really *really* helpful if you could
arrange collection (DHL is ok, Fedex is better as they deliver first
and invoice for customs duty afterwards: DHL will *hold* packages
until you've paid).

the alternative is Track-and-Trace EMS Post, which i've done to NZ
and that was absolutely fine. it's also cheaper, but bear in mind it
ends up in your country's *local* (registered / signed-for) postal
service. if you're happy with that then i know exactly where the post
office is, done 2 packages already (one to HK as well), arrived
absolutely fine. just bear in mind it'll be a leeetle bit slower.

btw likewise this goes for the various other people who've asked for a
dev-board, i know there's 2 people in Austria / Germany... no wait
three: phil as well, you're based in germany now.

Post by Adam Van Ymeren
I'd be interested in one, and I'd love to help contribute to the software side of this project

_great_.

Post by Adam Van Ymeren
as it's much more within my skill set than high frequency HDMI routing.

ha, funny :) man that's a long ride...

l.

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[Tor, the Marqueteur]

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I'm interested, and I should be able to cover the costs. That said, I
don't have sofware dev skills, so except perhaps for a micro-desktop
board (depends on final design of the micro-desktop), there's not much
advantage to the project in my having one. Therefore, since it's more
a toy and chance to (hopefully, if the project succeeds) hold an
interesting piece of computer history, if there are people with the dev
skills, I'll willingly cede any position I have.

Tor

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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Tor, the Marqueteur

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I'm interested, and I should be able to cover the costs. That said, I
don't have sofware dev skills, so except perhaps for a micro-desktop
board (depends on final design of the micro-desktop), there's not much
advantage to the project in my having one. Therefore, since it's more
a toy and chance to (hopefully, if the project succeeds) hold an
interesting piece of computer history, if there are people with the dev
skills, I'll willingly cede any position I have.

thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of
the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the
wooden corners.

l.

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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Tor, the Marqueteur

I'm interested, and I should be able to cover the costs. ...

thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of
the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the
wooden corners.

Sooner or later, yes. I haven't worried too much because of the work
to get the card itself working.

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l.

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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Tor, the Marqueteur

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some of
the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and test the
wooden corners.

Sooner or later, yes. I haven't worried too much because of the work
to get the card itself working.

well the microdesktop has to go out at the same time, and that's been
ready for months. it's a little limiting to use the card on its own
(no access to UART boot messages for example) and pushing USB-UART
wires into the 68-pin connector... i mean... i've _done_ it...

l.

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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Tor, the Marqueteur

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
thx tor. btw i still need to send you a micro-desktop and some
of the laser-cut casework i have here, so you can design and
test the wooden corners.

Sooner or later, yes. I haven't worried too much because of the
work to get the card itself working.

well the microdesktop has to go out at the same time, and that's
been ready for months. it's a little limiting to use the card on
its own (no access to UART boot messages for example) and pushing
USB-UART wires into the 68-pin connector... i mean... i've _done_
it...

True enough. I'll send you my address. On my end postal is reliable,
so there's no reason not to use the cheap option there.

Tor

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Tor, the Marqueteur

Post by Tor, the Marqueteur

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
well the microdesktop has to go out at the same time, and that's
been ready for months. it's a little limiting to use the card on
its own (no access to UART boot messages for example) and pushing
USB-UART wires into the 68-pin connector... i mean... i've _done_
it...

True enough. I'll send you my address. On my end postal is reliable,
so there's no reason not to use the cheap option there.

great. need tel no as well (goes on the form...)

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[Jonathan Frederickson]

I'm interested as well, though I likewise don't have the low-level
software experience that would likely be required. I'm a Linux
sysadmin, so Linux I can do, but ARM kernel/boot stuff is a bit out of
my depth thus far. That said, I do have access to a laser cutter and a
(small) 3D printer, so I can play around with case designs for the
micro-desktop.

Is it simple enough to put them in PCMCIA cases so I could use it
day-to-day assuming it works well? (Or do they already have PCMCIA
cases from the factory at this point?) If so, I'm definitely in,
unless someone with more dev skills wants one.

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Jonathan Frederickson

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
I'm interested as well, though I likewise don't have the low-level
software experience that would likely be required.

if it's ok with you the priority will be on people with linux kernel
/ u-boot (etc.) experience

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
I'm a Linux
sysadmin, so Linux I can do, but ARM kernel/boot stuff is a bit out of
my depth thus far.

well, "sysadmin" to me says "clearly capable of trusting and
following written instructions to the letter" which surprisingly, from
my brother's experience as a teacher, is a rare skill: he found that
many of the kids just totally locked up and froze, and were literally
incapable of following step-by-step written instructions, even when
verbally prompted as to what to do.

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
That said, I do have access to a laser cutter and a
(small) 3D printer, so I can play around with case designs for the
micro-desktop.

great! that would definitely be worthwhile getting you one of these
prototypes.

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
Is it simple enough to put them in PCMCIA cases so I could use it
day-to-day assuming it works well? (Or do they already have PCMCIA
cases from the factory at this point?) If so, I'm definitely in,
unless someone with more dev skills wants one.

they don't... but i have some casework sets. the primary thing to
make absolutely sure when putting them on is: (a) get the plastic part
on the right way up (as it tells the PCMCIA socket which pin is which)
and (b) make absolutely sure that there's yellow insulating stickers
on the inside, and that they're not damaged in any way. also bear in
mind they're hell to take off again...but that you really shouldn't
need to.

l.

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
if it's ok with you the priority will be on people with linux kernel
/ u-boot (etc.) experience

Understandable, that seems to be what you need the most at this point.

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
well, "sysadmin" to me says "clearly capable of trusting and
following written instructions to the letter" which surprisingly, from
my brother's experience as a teacher, is a rare skill: he found that
many of the kids just totally locked up and froze, and were literally
incapable of following step-by-step written instructions, even when
verbally prompted as to what to do.

Previous to my current position I worked in Linux customer support,
so... I'm unfortunately quite familiar with that behavior. :)
Sometimes it's a result of making hidden assumptions in the
instructions though, when you have enough experience with something
you'll make mental leaps that someone without exposure to the material
might not.

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
they don't... but i have some casework sets. the primary thing to
make absolutely sure when putting them on is: (a) get the plastic part
on the right way up (as it tells the PCMCIA socket which pin is which)
and (b) make absolutely sure that there's yellow insulating stickers
on the inside, and that they're not damaged in any way. also bear in
mind they're hell to take off again...but that you really shouldn't
need to.

Sounds good to me - if you can find more people with kernel/u-boot
experience they can jump ahead of me, but let me know if the
prototypes aren't all accounted for and I'm in for one.

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On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:10 AM, Jonathan Frederickson

Post by Jonathan Frederickson

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
if it's ok with you the priority will be on people with linux kernel
/ u-boot (etc.) experience

Understandable, that seems to be what you need the most at this point.

that and some extra cash. i'm currently doing contract work which
helps. could do with more of that, too.

Post by Jonathan Frederickson

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
well, "sysadmin" to me says "clearly capable of trusting and
following written instructions to the letter" which surprisingly, from
my brother's experience as a teacher, is a rare skill: he found that
many of the kids just totally locked up and froze, and were literally
incapable of following step-by-step written instructions, even when
verbally prompted as to what to do.

Previous to my current position I worked in Linux customer support,
so... I'm unfortunately quite familiar with that behavior. :)

:)

Post by Jonathan Frederickson
Sometimes it's a result of making hidden assumptions in the
instructions though, when you have enough experience with something
you'll make mental leaps that someone without exposure to the material
might not.

yehyeh.

Post by Jonathan Frederickson

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
they don't... but i have some casework sets. the primary thing to

Sounds good to me - if you can find more people with kernel/u-boot
experience they can jump ahead of me, but let me know if the
prototypes aren't all accounted for and I'm in for one.

*thumbs-up*

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