[Arm-netbook] rk3399 what full schematics does lkcl want?

[David Niklas]

On Fri, 19 May 2017 18:17:16 +0100

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Because a license prohibits it?

no.

Because competitors can use them?

correct.

Lkcl, have you asked tfirefly to give you the full schematics cad
data?

no... because they would think i was a bit dumb. or worse, wanted to
steal their business. i have no desire to piss them off.

Because I got to think, you said tfirefly is withholding some
schematics,

no i did not say that. it may be true but i would not have
specifically said it. i may have said that *rockchip* has *not made
available the reference design* which is a totally different matter.
you may have then thought "rockchip equals firefly".
please try not to make cross-connections and/or correlations that
aren't actually the case.

I wrote tfirefly asking them to email me the full schematics.
Tfirefly never denied, that they had not made the full schematics
public. They said, they could not disclose the full schematics. Maybe
due to a lack of english skills on both sides.

no, you've just misunderstood their business model. please don't ask
them again, it's not fair to ask them to make public something which
will destroy their business model.

Then what should you ask tfirefly for? Full schematics cad data?

absolutely nothing. you don't ask them for anything. they're a
third party business - an OEM.
and we also can't ask rockchip either, because we're not going to
order a million of their processors, cash up-front... *until* they
have made full CAD data available.
classic catch 22 situation.
so instead we wait - as i specifically, specifically said - until
rockchip's Reference Designs leak out onto the public internet and are
available on e.g. taobao or other site, for sale for $25.
l.

So, how did the t-firefly group create their SOC if they could not get
the CAD files?

Thanks,
David

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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Post by David Niklas
So, how did the t-firefly group create their SOC if they could not get
the CAD files?

who said that they could not get the CAD files from Rockchip? nobody
said that they could not get the RK3399 CAD files from rockchip. i
certainly didn't say that they could not get the CAD files from
Rockchip. i also didn't see anyone *else* say that they could not get
the CAD files from rockchip.

or any other source for that matter.

it may help you to understand how they got hold of them if (and i
believe i am correct about this but it may need confirmation) you are
aware that t-firefly is a trading name (or subsidary) of the extremely
large company known as "Acer".

Acer as you are no doubt aware created the highly-successful
mass-volume RK3288-based Chromebook.

Acer therefore qualifies, easily, in Rockchip's Management's eyes, as
a "100k and above volumes" OEM 3rd party.

they'd be *more* than happy to give Acer absolutely anything they want.

l.

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[David Niklas]

On Tue, 30 May 2017 03:23:32 +0100

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

Post by David Niklas
So, how did the t-firefly group create their SOC if they could not get
the CAD files?

who said that they could not get the CAD files from Rockchip? nobody
said that they could not get the RK3399 CAD files from rockchip. i
certainly didn't say that they could not get the CAD files from
Rockchip. i also didn't see anyone *else* say that they could not get
the CAD files from rockchip.
or any other source for that matter.
it may help you to understand how they got hold of them if (and i
believe i am correct about this but it may need confirmation) you are
aware that t-firefly is a trading name (or subsidary) of the extremely
large company known as "Acer".
Acer as you are no doubt aware created the highly-successful
mass-volume RK3288-based Chromebook.
Acer therefore qualifies, easily, in Rockchip's Management's eyes, as
a "100k and above volumes" OEM 3rd party.
they'd be *more* than happy to give Acer absolutely anything they want.

Ah, now it makes sense. I was originally thinking that if you could not
get hold of them then they should not be able to either.

Thanks,
David

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