[Arm-netbook] New Open Access Journal for Open Source Hardware

[Mike Leimon]

Greetings all,

One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.

http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

Ordinarily, I wouldn't have brought this up at all however, since it
appears this is going to be an open access journal, I am thinking that it
may in fact be handled in a manner that is compatible with the spirit and
the goals of the EOMA-68 project. Given the readership of scholarly
journals, an effort to get a publication about this new open hardware
standard could result a lot of interest and adoption within the scientific
community. Perhaps if that comes to fruition, we may see EOMA-68 cards
adopted as components used within custom sensors or instrumentation.

Anyhow, I'd say looking into this may be worth at least a few minutes of
time.

-Mike

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

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Post by Mike Leimon
Greetings all,
One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

appreciated.

Post by Mike Leimon
Ordinarily, I wouldn't have brought this up at all however, since it appears
this is going to be an open access journal, I am thinking that it may in
fact be handled in a manner that is compatible with the spirit and the goals
of the EOMA-68 project. Given the readership of scholarly journals, an
effort to get a publication about this new open hardware standard could
result a lot of interest and adoption within the scientific community.
Perhaps if that comes to fruition, we may see EOMA-68 cards adopted as
components used within custom sensors or instrumentation.
Anyhow, I'd say looking into this may be worth at least a few minutes of
time.

did that.... it's associated with the "OSHWA".

they use the phrase "open source hardware". as in, it's okay to
create hardware with built-in DRM locking, Tivoisation and other
unethical traps that are disguised as "open" but in fact mislead
people and entrap them.

if they change the name to "libre hardware" - where we then also have
to define "hardware" as well (as it could refer to silicon, designs,
casework, or even just to "the manufacture of spoons" - nothing to do
with computers at all) i'll be more inclined to be involved.

as it is i have so much to do over the next few months that i have to
decline... much as i am grateful that you brought it up, mike. if
anyone else feels confident about writing something and presenting it
please feel free, i'll be happy to review it.

l.

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
they use the phrase "open source hardware". as in, it's okay to
create hardware with built-in DRM locking, Tivoisation and other
unethical traps that are disguised as "open" but in fact mislead
people and entrap them.

Oh look. It is time for a religious war.


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Post by Al Billings

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
they use the phrase "open source hardware". as in, it's okay to
create hardware with built-in DRM locking, Tivoisation and other
unethical traps that are disguised as "open" but in fact mislead
people and entrap them.

Oh look. It is time for a religious war.

that's not very helpful, al. please don't use sarcasm on this list
in a derogatory way, or distract me from fulfilling my promises.
there are plenty of other lists where that behaviour is acceptable:
this isn't one of them.

just a couple of hours ago i sent a message explaining i am dealing
with an enormous and completely overwhelming list of tasks in order to
fulfil the promises and committments that have just been made to over
1,500 people. i don't appreciate having to deal with sarcastic
remarks as a major distraction from any one of those tasks.

i trust that that's really *really* clear.

l.

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[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
that's not very helpful, al. please don't use sarcasm on this list
in a derogatory way, or distract me from fulfilling my promises.
this isn't one of them.
just a couple of hours ago i sent a message explaining i am dealing
with an enormous and completely overwhelming list of tasks in order to
fulfil the promises and committments that have just been made to over
1,500 people. i don't appreciate having to deal with sarcastic
remarks as a major distraction from any one of those tasks.
i trust that that's really *really* clear.

faaackin 'ellfire, that guy was scary. he emailed me off-list 10
times in under 20 minutes. i had to block him so as to prevent
further net abuse. just wasted over half an hour dealing with his
demands instead of getting on with fulfilling the promises that i've
made to everyone else.

l.

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[Adam Van Ymeren]

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
that's not very helpful, al. please don't use sarcasm on this list
in a derogatory way, or distract me from fulfilling my promises.
this isn't one of them.
just a couple of hours ago i sent a message explaining i am dealing
with an enormous and completely overwhelming list of tasks in order to
fulfil the promises and committments that have just been made to over
1,500 people. i don't appreciate having to deal with sarcastic
remarks as a major distraction from any one of those tasks.
i trust that that's really *really* clear.

faaackin 'ellfire, that guy was scary. he emailed me off-list 10
times in under 20 minutes. i had to block him so as to prevent
further net abuse. just wasted over half an hour dealing with his
demands instead of getting on with fulfilling the promises that i've
made to everyone else.

I thought he was being sarcastic when he said time for a religious war.
Sounds like he was serious lol.

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
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Post by Adam Van Ymeren
I thought he was being sarcastic when he said time for a religious war.
Sounds like he was serious lol.

i saw this phenomenon twice at hopeconf2016, after dr stallman's
talk. two people - i had to stand next to one of them as i was next
in line for questions - whilst he shouted into the microphone at dr
stallman, to accuse him of hypocrisy... hypocrisy of what, the guy
didn't say... and it didn't matter: it allowed this guy the
opportunity to dismiss with prejudice everything he'd heard, thus
allowing him to return to the comfort of the compromises that he
clearly didn't like being made aware that he'd made without realising
it.

why exactly this guy sat through an *entire 1hr30m talk* instead of
walking out half way through it in disgust (as opposed to sitting
still for 1hr30, getting up, shouting at dr stallman and *then*
walking out in disgust)... that will have to remain a hilarious
paradoxical mystery.

l.

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Post by Mike Leimon
Greetings all,
One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

It's interesting to know that Elsevier think it's worth "taking a punt" on
something like this, even though they publish books and journals on anything
and everything. It may help to get attention from a wider audience.

Personally, I have a low opinion of journal publishing, having seen the brand
obsession that pervades academia: publish a good article in a suitable journal
that random assessors of the described work don't already know and there's no
recognition to be had; get in amongst the authors on an article about someone
else's work that gets into a "brand name" journal and suddenly you did
something worthwhile after all.

Combine that with "publication points" and other "productivity measures"
introduced to academia to make it more like the world of business and the
actual priorities of research and sharing knowledge take something of a back
seat.

And there are the long-disliked aspects of the peer-review process, which in
this case involve paying $500 to Elsevier ($100 special initial offer!) per
submitted article and then presumably having your work reviewed by people who
are doing the reviewing for free. The positive side of this is that the
copyright of articles seems to be retained by the author - unlike a lot of
journal publishing - and that the licences are mostly standard Creative
Commons ones (CC-BY and CC-BY-NC-ND):

https://www.elsevier.com/about/company-information/policies/open-access-
licenses

https://www.elsevier.com/about/company-information/policies/copyright

Elsevier, of course, gets additional rights. How else would they make all that
money?

http://theoryofcomputing.org/crisis.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/academic-publisher-elsevier-hit-with-
growing-boycott-1.1166665

Post by Mike Leimon
Ordinarily, I wouldn't have brought this up at all however, since it
appears this is going to be an open access journal, I am thinking that it
may in fact be handled in a manner that is compatible with the spirit and
the goals of the EOMA-68 project. Given the readership of scholarly
journals, an effort to get a publication about this new open hardware
standard could result a lot of interest and adoption within the scientific
community. Perhaps if that comes to fruition, we may see EOMA-68 cards
adopted as components used within custom sensors or instrumentation.
Anyhow, I'd say looking into this may be worth at least a few minutes of
time.

I don't disagree, despite what I wrote above, although I remain skeptical
about the efficiency of such methods of informing and educating others. But I
don't intend to tell anyone what to do with their time, and I appreciate you
making us all aware of this.

Sorry to sound so negative above: it's a topic that can easily provoke a rant
based on prior experiences and observations, especially in an academic
context. I actually did contribute some articles to a genuine open access
journal several years ago, and while I remain unconvinced of the effect those
articles had, I did support the mission of that publication as a way of
providing decent-quality material about the topic being covered.

Paul

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Post by Mike Leimon
Greetings all,
One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

It's interesting to know that Elsevier think it's worth "taking a punt" on
something like this, even though they publish books and journals on anything
and everything. It may help to get attention from a wider audience.

which begs the question (bringing things back to a positive note) -
so thank you to mike for raising this so that the idea can come about:
why the heck don't we set up some sort of journal / conference at some
point? or find a suitable existing conference and ask them if they'd
like to run a track. fosdem2016 or something. fosdem's big enough
(but might also be too big already).

l.

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[Andrew M.A. Cater]

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Post by Paul Boddie

Post by Mike Leimon
Greetings all,
One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

It's interesting to know that Elsevier think it's worth "taking a punt" on
something like this, even though they publish books and journals on anything
and everything. It may help to get attention from a wider audience.

which begs the question (bringing things back to a positive note) -
why the heck don't we set up some sort of journal / conference at some
point? or find a suitable existing conference and ask them if they'd
like to run a track. fosdem2016 or something. fosdem's big enough
(but might also be too big already).

There's a mini-Debconf at ARM in Cambridge in November ...

Elzevier - avoid at all costs if you value freedom in any respect.
Various scientific folks have begun to boycott them and publish
in house or independent peer-reviewed publication.

FOSDEM might well be an option.


AndyC

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater

Post by Andrew M.A. Cater

Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
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Post by Paul Boddie

Post by Mike Leimon
Greetings all,
One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

It's interesting to know that Elsevier think it's worth "taking a punt" on
something like this, even though they publish books and journals on anything
and everything. It may help to get attention from a wider audience.

which begs the question (bringing things back to a positive note) -
why the heck don't we set up some sort of journal / conference at some
point? or find a suitable existing conference and ask them if they'd
like to run a track. fosdem2016 or something. fosdem's big enough
(but might also be too big already).

There's a mini-Debconf at ARM in Cambridge in November ...

oo that'd be fun. bit early. i was thinking more along the lines of
after people have their pledges, so they have some opportunity to play
with them.

Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
Elzevier - avoid at all costs if you value freedom in any respect.
Various scientific folks have begun to boycott them and publish
in house or independent peer-reviewed publication.

iiinteresting...

Post by Andrew M.A. Cater
FOSDEM might well be an option.

it's around the right time - i may still be in the far east though.

l.

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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
which begs the question (bringing things back to a positive note) -
why the heck don't we set up some sort of journal / conference at some
point? or find a suitable existing conference and ask them if they'd
like to run a track. fosdem2016 or something. fosdem's big enough
(but might also be too big already).

Yes, sorry once again to be negative, and thanks to Mike for bringing the
journal to our attention! I just wanted to point out the pitfalls of such
channels, although most people might start to suspect something as soon as the
$100/$500 fee appears on their screens.

Some Free Software conferences have poster sessions, alongside the usual talks
and tutorials. Once upon a time, EuroPython had a reviewed papers track, which
I thought was very exotic for a community conference, but I guess it was an
honest attempt to replicate that aspect of academic conferences.

Other kinds of conferences might also be relevant, of course. It might be
easiest to start with the ones that share common interests and goals, however.

Paul

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Post by Paul Boddie

Post by Mike Leimon
Greetings all,
One of my friends brought this new open access journal to my attention this
morning. Apparently, it is just starting up now and looking for an initial
call for papers.
http://www.journals.elsevier.com/hardwarex/

It's interesting to know that Elsevier think it's worth "taking a punt" on
something like this, even though they publish books and journals on anything
and everything. It may help to get attention from a wider audience.
Personally, I have a low opinion of journal publishing, having seen the brand
obsession that pervades academia: publish a good article in a suitable journal
that random assessors of the described work don't already know and there's no
recognition to be had; get in amongst the authors on an article about someone
else's work that gets into a "brand name" journal and suddenly you did
something worthwhile after all.
Combine that with "publication points" and other "productivity measures"
introduced to academia to make it more like the world of business and the
actual priorities of research and sharing knowledge take something of a back
seat.
And there are the long-disliked aspects of the peer-review process, which in
this case involve paying $500 to Elsevier ($100 special initial offer!) per
submitted article and then presumably having your work reviewed by people who
are doing the reviewing for free. The positive side of this is that the
copyright of articles seems to be retained by the author - unlike a lot of
journal publishing - and that the licences are mostly standard Creative
https://www.elsevier.com/about/company-information/policies/open-access-
licenses

This applies to the select few Elsevier publications that are
open-access. Indeed what most peaple have against Elsevier is that most
of their content is not open-access.

PLOS will typically charge you even more. E.g. if your article managed
to get published into PLOS ONE, you'd have to pay $1500[1]. This is
because it's their only source of funding: they are a respectable
open-access non-profit.

https://plos.org/publication-fees - even more for some of the others.

Post by Paul Boddie
https://www.elsevier.com/about/company-information/policies/copyright
Elsevier, of course, gets additional rights. How else would they make all that
money?
http://theoryofcomputing.org/crisis.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/academic-publisher-elsevier-hit-with-
growing-boycott-1.1166665

Again, this is an open-access Elsevier publication. Not the typical
Elsevier publication.
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Post by Tzafrir Cohen

Post by Paul Boddie
https://www.elsevier.com/about/company-information/policies/open-access-
licenses

This applies to the select few Elsevier publications that are
open-access. Indeed what most peaple have against Elsevier is that most
of their content is not open-access.

Indeed.

Post by Tzafrir Cohen
PLOS will typically charge you even more. E.g. if your article managed
to get published into PLOS ONE, you'd have to pay $1500[1]. This is
because it's their only source of funding: they are a respectable
open-access non-profit.
https://plos.org/publication-fees - even more for some of the others.

Yes, which unfortunately gives an excuse for various factions in universities
to remain against open access because they can point at the costs and ask who
will pay those fees. Meanwhile, the costs of other forms of publication are
not questioned. The brand reputation of non-open-access journals is also
brought to bear in such arguments.

But open access journals do need to be sustainable, certainly, and that does
need to involve money coming from somewhere.

Post by Tzafrir Cohen

Post by Paul Boddie
https://www.elsevier.com/about/company-information/policies/copyright
Elsevier, of course, gets additional rights. How else would they make all
that money?
http://theoryofcomputing.org/crisis.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/academic-publisher-elsevier-hit-with-
growing-boycott-1.1166665

Again, this is an open-access Elsevier publication. Not the typical
Elsevier publication.

Indeed. I did read those articles when I first came across them some years
ago, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned them. But my remarks are more about
Elsevier than any specific journal.

If people think the referenced journal is a good channel to communicate open
hardware things, they should follow their instinct and not let me stop them.

Paul

P.S. Does it matter what the larger publishing organisation does? I had one
experience of being at a conference about text-mining where a representative
for a big-name academic publisher said that they were going to have an API for
their articles that would only provide a jumbled bag of words (and maybe only
some of the words). They seemed to think this was a generous offer to the
audience, many of whom probably wanted to do semantic analysis on the text.
You can imagine what the reaction was. All because the matter of being the
gatekeeper was more important than the knowledge being shared.

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