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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2016-07-09 01:01:28 UTC
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http://www.xataka.com/makers/el-cerebro-de-todos-tus-gadgets-puede-caber-en-una-cartera-eoma68

wow, this article has 45 shares and 300 likes on facebook - completely
missed it because i'd never heard of xataka before.

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GaCuest
2016-07-09 09:35:44 UTC
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El 9 de julio de 2016 a las 3:02:16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
http://www.xataka.com/makers/el-cerebro-de-todos-tus-gadgets-puede-caber-en-una-cartera-eoma68
wow, this article has 45 shares and 300 likes on facebook - completely
missed it because i'd never heard of xataka before.
Xataka is an important website in Spanish about technology.

From the comments, I see that people think that Allwinner A20
is less powerful and more expensive than Raspberry 3.

There is another who says to launch an EOMA-68 with an
Atom (or CoreM). I suppose CoreM is not possible by high
consumption. I think that people are not very concerned that
Intel, or Windows, or NSA spy on them. They prefer a very
powerful processor, although it is not free and spy on them.
Usually people think they do nothing illegal with their computers,
so people do not care that others spy on them.

If you want, I can answer for you in Spanish. Or tell me what
you want to say in English, I translate in Spanish, and you post
it on Xataka.

Good luck!
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2016-07-09 14:56:03 UTC
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Post by GaCuest
El 9 de julio de 2016 a las 3:02:16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
http://www.xataka.com/makers/el-cerebro-de-todos-tus-gadgets-puede-caber-en-una-cartera-eoma68
wow, this article has 45 shares and 300 likes on facebook - completely
missed it because i'd never heard of xataka before.
Xataka is an important website in Spanish about technology.
From the comments, I see that people think that Allwinner A20
is less powerful and more expensive than Raspberry 3.
and the rbpi3 is from an unethical company.... i'm not going to start
an ethical business by working with unethical companies, am i? that
never tends to work out well, does it? :)
Post by GaCuest
There is another who says to launch an EOMA-68 with an
Atom (or CoreM). I suppose CoreM is not possible by high
consumption.
that and the sheer cost of boards using intel processors is way
outside of the current realm of practicality at the moment. it would
cost something like $USD 50,000 and we would need to do a minimum
production run of 30,000 to justify the cost.

also intel do not provide Reference Designs so the time taken would
be 4-6 months, and they do not provide PMIC (Power Management
Integrated Circuit) information nor guarantee access to the specialist
PMICs. unlike the low-power SoC companies, intel have never really
succeeded in this market and one of the things that they do not
understand is that you must provide a companion PMIC and guarantee
access to it *and* the processor. if a third party refuses to give
you PMIC samples, what's the point of having the processor *at all*???

but, intel has now completely given up on the smartphone and tablet market.

later however we will do an EOMA200 small desktop / industrial PC but
that is a radically different proposition.
Post by GaCuest
I think that people are not very concerned that
Intel, or Windows, or NSA spy on them. They prefer a very
powerful processor, although it is not free and spy on them.
Usually people think they do nothing illegal with their computers,
so people do not care that others spy on them.
... until their bank account information is held to ransom by mafia
groups. it's not just the NSA: it's powerful groups with ties to
governments whose capability to break RSA 2048 bit private keys is
unknown. remember: the "security nightmare" for intelligence
communities is not what's *known* to be insecure (because you can plan
for that), it's what's *NOT* known to be insecure that keeps them
awake at night.

remember *also* that i have word from a friend who is studying
mathematics, he hasn't been able to release the paper because he is
concerned for his life, but he has discovered a way to test for prime
numbers based around the riemann-zeta function, using a recursive
algorithm that uses arithmetic shift, multiplication and
addition/subtract - NO DIVISION. it can test for primality in
something like O(N log N) where current tests are.... O( N ^ 2 ) or
something like that. so if he knows how to do it, you can *guarantee*
that it's a technique that's *already* been discovered a hell of a
long time ago.
Post by GaCuest
If you want, I can answer for you in Spanish. Or tell me what
you want to say in English, I translate in Spanish, and you post
it on Xataka.
if you could check and add the above i'd be really grateful

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GaCuest
2016-07-09 17:58:17 UTC
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El 9 de julio de 2016 a las 16:56:22, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
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Post by GaCuest
El 9 de julio de 2016 a las 3:02:16, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
http://www.xataka.com/makers/el-cerebro-de-todos-tus-gadgets-puede-caber-en-una-cartera-eoma68
wow, this article has 45 shares and 300 likes on facebook - completely
missed it because i'd never heard of xataka before.
Xataka is an important website in Spanish about technology.
From the comments, I see that people think that Allwinner A20
is less powerful and more expensive than Raspberry 3.
and the rbpi3 is from an unethical company.... i'm not going to start
an ethical business by working with unethical companies, am i? that
never tends to work out well, does it? :)
I understand you perfectly. The problem is that ordinary people does
not care that (sadly). For most people, Raspberry is one of the freest
(and ethical) devices.
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by GaCuest
There is another who says to launch an EOMA-68 with an
Atom (or CoreM). I suppose CoreM is not possible by high
consumption.
that and the sheer cost of boards using intel processors is way
outside of the current realm of practicality at the moment. it would
cost something like $USD 50,000 and we would need to do a minimum
production run of 30,000 to justify the cost.
also intel do not provide Reference Designs so the time taken would
be 4-6 months, and they do not provide PMIC (Power Management
Integrated Circuit) information nor guarantee access to the specialist
PMICs. unlike the low-power SoC companies, intel have never really
succeeded in this market and one of the things that they do not
understand is that you must provide a companion PMIC and guarantee
access to it *and* the processor. if a third party refuses to give
you PMIC samples, what's the point of having the processor *at all*???
but, intel has now completely given up on the smartphone and tablet market.
I think Intel still sell z8750 and z8700. For example, GPD Win has it.
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
later however we will do an EOMA200 small desktop / industrial PC but
that is a radically different proposition.
Post by GaCuest
I think that people are not very concerned that
Intel, or Windows, or NSA spy on them. They prefer a very
powerful processor, although it is not free and spy on them.
Usually people think they do nothing illegal with their computers,
so people do not care that others spy on them.
... until their bank account information is held to ransom by mafia
groups. it's not just the NSA: it's powerful groups with ties to
governments whose capability to break RSA 2048 bit private keys is
unknown. remember: the "security nightmare" for intelligence
communities is not what's *known* to be insecure (because you can plan
for that), it's what's *NOT* known to be insecure that keeps them
awake at night.
The problem is that is secondary for most people. Most people want a
device with a lot of power, that costs little money, and have a beautiful OS
with many applications/games. And with much marketing.
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
remember *also* that i have word from a friend who is studying
mathematics, he hasn't been able to release the paper because he is
concerned for his life, but he has discovered a way to test for prime
numbers based around the riemann-zeta function, using a recursive
algorithm that uses arithmetic shift, multiplication and
addition/subtract - NO DIVISION. it can test for primality in
something like O(N log N) where current tests are.... O( N ^ 2 ) or
something like that. so if he knows how to do it, you can *guarantee*
that it's a technique that's *already* been discovered a hell of a
long time ago.
Post by GaCuest
If you want, I can answer for you in Spanish. Or tell me what
you want to say in English, I translate in Spanish, and you post
it on Xataka.
if you could check and add the above i'd be really grateful
I have already posted some comments on Xataka. If you need
something else in Spanish, let me know.

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2016-07-09 20:44:36 UTC
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Post by GaCuest
I think Intel still sell z8750 and z8700. For example, GPD Win has it.
nnope! those are too much power and they are only available in
limited quantities for extremely short time periods. i.e. they do
*one* production run, once those are out, that's it, game over.
Post by GaCuest
I have already posted some comments on Xataka. If you need
something else in Spanish, let me know.
looks really good.

l.

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GaCuest
2016-07-09 21:15:03 UTC
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El 9 de julio de 2016 a las 22:44:54, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
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Post by GaCuest
I think Intel still sell z8750 and z8700. For example, GPD Win has it.
nnope! those are too much power and they are only available in
limited quantities for extremely short time periods. i.e. they do
*one* production run, once those are out, that's it, game over.
Ok thanks for the information. I have seen many new products
with z8750 and had that doubt. In fact, they say that they use
z8750 because z8300 and z8500 are discontinued. This is
the case of PGS Lab (although this would be another interesting
topic, an unknown company, whose prototype is a Surface with
an iPega controller, which has sold over 300k $, I suppose that
doing good renderings and good promises makes you sell a lot).
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by GaCuest
I have already posted some comments on Xataka. If you need
something else in Spanish, let me know.
looks really good.
I am Spanish, so for me it is much easier to write in Spanish
(and better) than in English, so no problem.

If you need anything else (now or in the future), let me know.
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l.
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2016-07-09 21:33:44 UTC
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Post by GaCuest
El 9 de julio de 2016 a las 22:44:54, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
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Post by GaCuest
I think Intel still sell z8750 and z8700. For example, GPD Win has it.
nnope! those are too much power and they are only available in
limited quantities for extremely short time periods. i.e. they do
*one* production run, once those are out, that's it, game over.
Ok thanks for the information. I have seen many new products
with z8750 and had that doubt. In fact, they say that they use
z8750 because z8300 and z8500 are discontinued. This is
the case of PGS Lab (although this would be another interesting
topic, an unknown company, whose prototype is a Surface with
an iPega controller, which has sold over 300k $, I suppose that
doing good renderings and good promises makes you sell a lot).
http://ark.intel.com/products/93362/Intel-Atom-x7-Z8750-Processor-2M-Cache-up-to-2_56-GHz

UTFCA BGA 1380 and only 17mm on a side holy F*** that's insane. so
that's around 0.4mm pitch BGA ball pads are they out of their tiny
f*****g minds?? how the hell is *any* PCB or assembly factory going
to cope with that?? it'll need something insane like 1.5 mil tracks
and 12 layer PCB designs.

intel's designers are completely out of their f*****g minds.


other than that, the scenario design power (scenario - not max) looks
like it could be okay.


sooo now all we need is access to the PMIC associated with it, full
set of Reference Designs, the backdoor processor instruction set and
the RSA Secret Key that allows us to guarantee that there's no spyware
running on the backdoor co-processor.

not much to ask, eh?
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Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by GaCuest
I have already posted some comments on Xataka. If you need
something else in Spanish, let me know.
looks really good.
I am Spanish, so for me it is much easier to write in Spanish
(and better) than in English, so no problem.
If you need anything else (now or in the future), let me know.
thanks.

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2016-07-09 22:32:12 UTC
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just occurred to me, might be a good idea to quote benjamin franklin,
if i put these words could you explain it in spanish, gacuest?

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase
a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

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GaCuest
2016-07-09 22:44:37 UTC
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El 10 de julio de 2016 a las 0:32:42, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
just occurred to me, might be a good idea to quote benjamin franklin,
if i put these words could you explain it in spanish, gacuest?
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase
a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
"Aquellos que renunciarían a una libertad esencial para
comprar un poco de seguridad temporal, no merecen ni
libertad ni seguridad."
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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
2016-07-09 22:56:04 UTC
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Post by GaCuest
El 10 de julio de 2016 a las 0:32:42, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
Post by Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
just occurred to me, might be a good idea to quote benjamin franklin,
if i put these words could you explain it in spanish, gacuest?
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase
a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
"Aquellos que renunciarían a una libertad esencial para
comprar un poco de seguridad temporal, no merecen ni
libertad ni seguridad."
awesome, posted

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