[Arm-netbook] arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 18

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1. Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17 (zap)
2. Re: arm-netbook Digest, Vol 76, Issue 17
(Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
3. OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the World
About Internet Values (Alexander Ross)
4. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the
World About Internet Values (Jonathan Frederickson)
5. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the
World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
6. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the
World About Internet Values (FaTony)
7. Re: OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest of the
World About Internet Values (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
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1. A few questions, (zap)
2. Re: A few questions, (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
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Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 14:33:23 -0500
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Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4
gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes?
Or am I misunderstanding?
The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your
delivery dates march or something like that,
I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it
would arrive,
also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity?
for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time.
but thanks for telling me.
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hiya zap welcome to the list: thanks for agreeing to post this publicly.

Correct me if i am wrong, but you said in your latest update that 4
gigabytes of ram may be a possibility in the future yes?

on the RK3288 board only, yes. most ARM SoCs are hard-limited to a
maximum of 2GB external DDR addressing: the RK3288 is literally the
only one i've found so far that can even do 4GB. reason: it was
designed as a medium-level chromebook processor.
to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM.

If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the
future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not
for the current a20 processor.

The other question though I wondered was it says on some of your
delivery dates march or something like that,
I just wondered how long it takes from the time I order for the day it
would arrive,

i honestly cannot say. i did the best i could estimate however
within even just a couple of weeks of the campaign ending i reached
out to an associate to confirm the previous arrangement of staying in
taiwan to help him out (and save costs)... and his arrangements had
changed.
so really, best thing: keep an eye on the updates, and just go with it :)

Okay I already have been as you can guess by my interest.

also, when exactly is the printed for you, instructions/videos coming out of curiosity?

when i'm making up the 12-or-so for the individuals that pledged for
fully-assembled ones. in other words i have 12 opportunities to make
the videos :)
however as this is a libre project, i already started some basic
instructions if you want to get stuck in early - just bear in mind i
need to bring the CAD python source up-to-date relative to the current
PCB changes. so you'll be printing stuff out that will *not* fit the
current PCBs and components okay? however you will not need to throw
all of the parts out, just re-print a few of them.
https://www.youmagine.com/designs/libre-hardware-licensed-parametric-laptop-design

for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time.

i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to
search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a
long-running project.

Okay my bad.

l.
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 00:12:12 +0000
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ah, just some rules (which are common practice and have been well
established for over two decades) when subscribing in digest mode: cut
the context, otherwise you force everbody (over 600 people in this
instance) to trawl through extraneous stuff that they've already read,
looking for the few percentage points on a line-by-line basis for what
you've written.
an example of doing that is demonstrated below. which i was forced to
do, myself, as you didn't do it.

to clarify and make absolutely clear: you will NEVER get an A20 SoC with above 2GB of RAM.

If that's the case, I guess I can safely assume that 4gb is in the
future maybe for a different processor but not the near future and not
for the current a20 processor.

yes. that's why the update said specifically "4GB is planned for the
RK3288" and no other processor. if there existed any other processor
capable of doing 4GB of RAM i would specifically have mentioned it.
even the latest intel tablet-targetted SoCs (the ones that have now
been terminated because nobody buys them because they're shit) have
two variants: one which maxes out at 2GB RAM and one which maxes out
at 8GB.

Oh on another interesting note btw, not that you will be doing this in
the near future, but I read on trisquel forums that I guess I am not the
only one who wants, another size option.

such as 11, 10 or 7.

My preference is between 10-13 inches.

But I just wanted to make sure you knew that I wasn't the only one.

Although, I had a thought, at some point maybe make a poll to see how
many people want a smaller size and who would be willing to buy one.

THIS is a THOUGHT, I just wanted to put out there. Feel free to deny my
request if you don't have the time at the moment, but whenever you can
find time, it would be a good idea.

for the record I didn´t know you had a mailing list for the longest time.

i would say "it's right there on the page" but i actually had to
search for it myself (and it's a looong page). yeah this is a
long-running project.

Okay my bad.

nono - there's been so much going on it's easy to miss things.
l.
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 01:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Arm-netbook] OT: The U.S. Needs to Stop Lecturing the Rest
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I’m finding this insightful as to why luke was treated the way he was by
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2016/11/the_u_s_should_stop_lecturing_about_internet_values.html
"
Just as one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist, one
country’s “soft power” is another’s weaponized values and existential
threat. Because Americans see their values and interests as essentially
benign, they completely miss how those abroad interpret what seem like
harmless acts. (The Chinese and the Russians read Soft Power: The Means
to Success in World Politics, too, and they’re on to you.) Furthermore,
much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s
insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and
unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them. As it
is, Chinese Communist Party cadres are instructed by party bosses to be
vigilant against “American efforts to overthrow the communist system
through ‘peaceful evolution’—that is, the spread of Western ideas and
culture.” Now imagine what the turbo-freedom of America’s global
internet looks like to them.
Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after
President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in
Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized
about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian
countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of
such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear
that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It
called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a
covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.”
"
LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the
enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a
tool too. while other departments hate it :)
...but yes the powers that be speak BS about freedom,etc when they them
selfs are promoting the surveillance - the never forget state. it will
be logged, it will be jugged. the citizens will be given a treat level
to the state and status quo rating. or some other named way of
categorisation.
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2016 20:46:46 -0500
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Actually, you don’t have to imagine it. In 2011, two years after
President Obama’s town hall meeting with future Chinese leaders in
Shanghai, the state-run newspaper China People’s Daily editorialized
about the United States’ deployment of shadow networks in authoritarian
countries: “The US State Department has carefully framed its support of
such projects as promoting free speech and human rights, but it is clear
that the policy is aimed at destabilizing national governments.” It
called Tor—software that helps people mask their location—“a weapon in a
covert cyber war intended to maintain the US’ global dominance.”
"

LOL teaching to population that the tool that helps them is in fact the
enemy, classic. the us funded tor cus a sub department needed such a
tool too. while other departments hate it :)

Yeah. I think this speaks to just how hard it is to see different
perspectives, even on the internet where there are (in theory) no
borders. As a US citizen it's clear to me that politicians here are
wary of privacy-preserving technologies like Tor. (And PGP and OTR -
hello crypto wars!) Overseas maybe that's less apparent.
Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US
government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's
more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values.
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 02:12:03 +0000
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On Mon, Nov 28, 2016 at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Frederickson

Of course this could all be the result of complex plots within the US
government and foreign governments, but I tend to believe that it's
more just a lack of exposure to different cultural values.

very much so, i feel. in essence: no one size fits all, and now we
see even emerging countries are beginning to wake up to the massive
over-reach and destruction of sovereignty that the U.S. has been
undertaking for decades. the key point of the fascinating and rather
long article [1] is that various small countries are viewing U.S.
diplomatic and political efforts finally for what it is: extremist
imperialist domination. unfortunately they're not the only country
that's historically manipulated entire [small] countries, but the
point is we kiiinda expect it to *be* history... not still happening
*right now*.
now, i'm not one for just "complaining": there's enough of that crap
going on already. i very much like to also suggest actual solutions,
and in this instance there happens to be a perfect fit: look up
someone called "robert david steele". there's an extremely good
article about him in 2014 by the guardian [2]. he started the "open
“Over the course of the last centuries, the commons was fenced, and
everything from agriculture to water was commoditised without regard
to the true cost in non-renewable resources. Human beings, who had
spent centuries evolving away from slavery, were re-commoditised by
the Industrial Era.”
huh. how about that. someone else who recognises that "employment"
is nothing more than a rebadged, re-introduced form of slavery. don't
believe me? if you're a software engineer actually READ your
employment contract. paying particular attention to the intelligence
enslavement clauses. the ones that say that your employer owns
absolutely everything that you do, think and say. if it wasn't
enslavement, you would be REWARDED in direct proportion to the value
of the work that you provide. you don't: you get paid a quotes fair
wage quotes. fuck off if you actually want *shock horror* shares in
the company!
yyeah....
holy fuck i had no idea: "the west supports 42 of 44 [world] dictators".
[1] http://m.journal-neo.org/2016/11/09/philippines-triggers-asian-tectonic-shift-away-from-us/
[2] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jun/19/open-source-revolution-conquer-one-percent-cia-spy
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 03:51:00 +0000
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Furthermore,
much of the Chinese and Russian political class believe the West’s
insistence on democracy and human rights is not merely distasteful and
unnecessary, but a concerted way to weaken and destabilize them.

Here's a view from inside of Russia. Russian TV is full of anti-west
propaganda. Every day I hear ppl discussing how some bad stuff is
happening in US, Europe or Ukraine and how Russian patriotism and
Orthodox Church are the foundation upon which you should live.
But it is forbidden to talk about Russian issues. Anyone who dares gets
sued, arrested, tortured or killed. Russian authorities use a blacklist
of sites and do DPI to make sure that nobody will find a way to
opposition sites that bring up Russian issues. They also have the legal
capacity to store all internet traffic for 6 months.
Nowadays, about 90% of my traffic goes through Tor or VPN because
there's simply no other way to get information.
But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to
survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from
the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and
grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia.
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2016 08:17:07 +0000
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But most people don't care about these issues, they are simply trying to
survive and not die of starvation. There is no hope in fixing this from
the inside, Russia as a country has no future. NATO should invade and
grab all the western territories while China will surely grab Siberia.

you have to have hope, man. i had no idea things were that bad, it
would seem thet russia's feeling the effects of what robert david
steele describes as being an endemic and systemic power-corruption,
just as much as anywhere.
he does however point out that the "poor" have, collectively, *MORE*
buying-power than the 1% elite who keep them oppressed and suppressed.
do read what he wrote because i feel that you will see that there is
always hope.
l.
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